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  2. Episode 1.12 "Vaulting Ambition" Discussion Thread

    Oh why isn't this show set in the Mirror Universe on a permanent basis, everything works so well, the characters, the plots, the general feeling of darkness, doom and despair that the show carries. They should have done this. It would have erased any fan complaints about "this is not Star Trek" and the continuity issues wouldn't have been there either, etc etc. WHHHHYYYYYYYYYY All that being said, I enjoyed this episode, especially the Kelpian food moment (if anyone comes at me with "cannibalism not belonging on Star Trek", I will gladly remind them of TNG's various references to it in its first season ), Georgiou casually getting rid of everyone around her with that super cool murder frisbee and, of course, the agonizer scenes and that dude getting a taste of that parasite (very "Conspiracy", haha), etc. This is the kind of stuff I like, I approve massively of this sort of thing. Discovery is basically creepy sci-fi horror by now and I'm here for it. I don't want for them to leave the Mirror Universe...
  3. The Gabriel Lorca Topic (SPOILERS INCLUDED)

    If Lorca leaves the show, so do I. He's the one who makes me watch it in the first place. If they bring Prime Lorca in, sure, I'll continue watching and see if he's as pleasantly sneaky as his mirror self. But if the show goes on without Lorca, it also goes on without me. I don't really care about the rest of the crew. That being said, I'm not surprised by this week's "big reveal", nor by the fact that Burnham has now put the pieces together - the way she looked at Lorca in the previous episode(s) showed she knew something was up, it was the look Vulcans give people when they don't fully believe them but don't have enough logical evidence yet to confront them about it. I loved Lorca's scenes in this episode though, of course. There weren't enough, but hey, I suspect we'll get a few more next week since we now have to deal with the ramifications of the whole Mirror Lorca thing.
  4. Episode 1.12 "Vaulting Ambition" Discussion Thread

    Well, it’s serialized storytelling...what are ya gonna do, right?
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  7. Episode 1.12 "Vaulting Ambition" Discussion Thread

    45 minutes is a step up from tonight which clocked in at 37:25, give or take! I was hoping for a musical reference to the Fred Steiner Mirror theme when the “palace” was revealed. I will miss Culber. A character in a relationship that will worked beautifully on screen. One thing that weakens Dr Who so much these days is beloved characters who “die” somehow end up coming back with variations of the “but wait, what’s this switch?” routine. Even the poor old Brigadier couldn’t be left to rest In peace but ended up resting alive in a Cyberman! It will be wonderful for Star Trek to take on the dramatic power of the best dramas of the current new “golden age” and leave beloved, likeable characters that we care about dead.
  8. The Gabriel Lorca Topic (SPOILERS INCLUDED)

    At this point, I'm also very curious to meet Prime Lorca. If he's only half as cunning as his mirror-self, he'd be a formidable starship captain. I still find it pretty amazing that his mirror-doppelgänger was able to fit into Starfleet with such ease; that could NOT have been easy. Though maybe if he entered right before the destruction of the Buran, he could've dismissed his personality differences as some kind of trauma. It fooled Admiral Cornwell, so... But yes, I'm very much hoping we either get prime Lorca onto the show, or they find a way to keep mirror-Lorca. He's too fascinating a character to say goodbye to at this point.
  9. THE LAST JEDI - Movie discussion and critique

    On your first point? Me too. It's something I honestly struggle with sometimes. I wish I could tell my inner OCD-completist to take a hike sometimes... On the second, I just started "Rebels" S3 yesterday morning, and yes, I am 100% with you on that one. Fresh, exciting, and it even manages to occasionally subvert expectations (we called them 'surprises' in my day) without taking a crap on them. On the third....right?? Because I always hide cleverly concealed maps to my secret location whenever I don't want to be disturbed. And Star Was/Star Wasn't. Love them both. You and Nombre both deserve a bow.
  10. Episode 1.11 "The Wolf Inside" Discussion Thread

    Hints, yes. But not much beyond that.
  11. Episode 1.11 "The Wolf Inside" Discussion Thread

    Not having seen this episode, can I ask, does it hint at the existence of Kahless in the mirror universe?
  12. THE LAST JEDI - Movie discussion and critique

    Well, yeah, I get how to do it and the rationale. I even have my own! It’s just that I don’t always trust myself to do it because I’m an OCD geek. Except when I really dislike a movie, or just the ethos behind it. I don’t think I hated TLJ as much as others on here, but neither am I wild about it. But it’s something when I recognise that I’m looking forward more to a cartoon spin-off more than I am the release of a movie. Don’t get me started on the map to Skywalker. “I came here to die.” Did you? Then why, pray tell, did you leave a map to your hiding place? It must’ve been you - Who else could it have been? This isn’t subversion, this is a bloody gaping huge plot hole created by Johnson ignoring JJ’s set-up. TLJ: Star Wasn’t.
  13. The Gabriel Lorca Topic (SPOILERS INCLUDED)

    It'd be interesting for the prime Lorca to have to deal with meeting a crew that has met another version of him and struggle through that in Season 2.
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  15. Episode 1.12 "Vaulting Ambition" Discussion Thread

    My spoiler-filled blog post about tonight’s episode: In short, I really enjoyed it. Minor nits, but the show is really clicking now...
  16. The Gabriel Lorca Topic (SPOILERS INCLUDED)

    Oh well, I am so into Lorca that I DO CARE and fear what would happend with the character in the NEAR future. 😭 but one thing I agree with you, it is an AMAZING, amazing STAR TREK series return. I noticed in the next episode scenes, Mirror Lorca walks into a hall with prisioners, Lt. Laundry was there so, MAYBE Prime Lorca is somewhere else and HE WILL return. I just hope😞 I was also against it, didn’t like the idea Lorca was the way he was because he was not from around .... damn.....I want the original back.
  17. Episode 1.12 "Vaulting Ambition" Discussion Thread

    One thing I appreciate, even if it is, at times, supremely uncomfortable, the MU is genuinely evil. In DS9, last MU episodes were tongue firmly in cheek.
  18. Episode 1.12 "Vaulting Ambition" Discussion Thread

    Well there are a number of questions I do have to wonder about. First off, how did mirror-Lorca cross over into the Prime universe? And for that matter, what is Lorca Prime like? Is he stuck in the mirror universe? And what is mirror-Stamets up to? I wonder if one of his goals is to use the spore drive on the ISS Charon (if it does have a spore drive) to take that ship into the Prime universe. Man, I've never seen the Terran Empire as dark as it is here. They cook Kelpians for food?! Not to mention of course flesh-destroying parasitic DNA. They're sure not holding back the punches here.
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  20. The Gabriel Lorca Topic (SPOILERS INCLUDED)

    There are many great characters. That's what's so great about Star Trek. If there is no Lorca character after Season 1, it will be unfortunate. I'm sure that it'll still be a great series, though. I'm wondering what the future of the series will be and what Season 2 will be.
  21. The Gabriel Lorca Topic (SPOILERS INCLUDED)

    That's what I was suggesting last week! It is very possible, that there is another Lorca running around somewhere. But honestly, at this point, I am in for the show and it's many characters. I like Stamets and Tilly and Saru and Burnham (who is getting better and better in my opinion)...I am intrigued to see where this show and it's cast go, Lorca or no Lorca. He's an interesting character, but if he doesn't go into the next season? Who is to say they don't find a new arc and new characters that are just as interesting? Seeing how this show has progressed has given me some faith in this production team. I wouldn't say the first half had totally sold me, but this second half has me as a fan of the show full tilt.
  22. Your Top Predictions for Season 1

    After watching Vaulting Ambition here is my wild fan prediction, which Ive had for a while but only seems to sound better to me: DISCO will return from the Mirror Universe but will go back in time to before the Battle of the Binaries. Burnham will try to correct all of her mistakes. Not sure what this will mean for season 2, but I just have a feeling time travel is going to happen.
  23. Episode 1.12 "Vaulting Ambition" Discussion Thread

    Well dam.... this episode... dont know what to say. First. Full Stop. I loved the Culber scenes. That was just beautifully done in all respects. As people here know I love this Trek series and do not nitpick like some who are more skeptical. I am fully along for the journey. But one of the jarring things for me is the way the serialized narrative is so different from what we are used to. "Vaulting Ambition" feels like one part plot-thread-tie-up and one part set-up for the next episode. There were bits that were good, even great like the Culber/Stamets scene, but it doenst cohere as its own 45 minute story. I can't help thinking that in previous series the Culber/Stamets scenes would have gotten an entire 45 minutes. I was also hoping that the mirror and Prime Stamets interaction would have been more interesting than it turned out to be--it feels like they are just minor cogs in a larger story next week about the Emperor. Not every episode FEELS like this, and the pay off episodes are always great, so I'm still along for the ride. But still, this type of narrative means that the ultimate judgment can't happen until the last episode of the season. Will we say that this was all worth it? I hope so. But with each week the stakes get higher and the chances that it could all fall apart seem to grow.
  24. THE LAST JEDI - Movie discussion and critique

    I'll talk about this one. Any Star Wars fan should have been intrigued by Snoke given the background of the Sith(only Master and apprentice). Considering how old Snoke looks then he was around during The Emperor's time, Darth Vader, etc...So his very appearance is interesting. Questions immediately come to any fan: who is he, where has he been, what relationship if any did he have to Palpatine, is it Palpatine, etc....? His very presence invited a lot of story. But this was never of interest to TPTB. They were only interested in having some replica of The Emperor without any need to flesh out a story. Imho, Abrams and co. couldn't come up with an intriguing story so they killed him off in this latest. They simply just ignored the very universe of Star Was. It's akin to having a movie in which Klingons are all of a sudden pacifists without any explanation. To your second part, I somewhat wished that it would be some sort of Force Projection but something tells me, considering the lazy writing of Abrams, that it isn't. At best it's a clone borrowing loosely from the now non-cannon books.
  25. Episode 1.12 "Vaulting Ambition" Discussion Thread

    extreme side note, but as someone who has taught that play many times I should have caught the line. Anyway, I dont watch ENT but I heard a clip on a podcast that Mirror Phlox said that Shakespeare was the same in both universes, and so it makes sense that the Emperor would be quoting Macbeth.
  26. The Gabriel Lorca Topic (SPOILERS INCLUDED)

    It is interesting and I don't know where it's going. It'd be interesting if mirror Lorca stayed and helped the Discovery crew get back to the prime universe. It's definitely a series that's had a unique and complex story, thus far. Also, what if both Lorca's switched universes at the same time and each of their ships were destroyed, leaving the prime Lorca in the mirror universe somewhere?
  27. Episode 1.12 "Vaulting Ambition" Discussion Thread

    Lots and lots of full-bore evil Lorca next week. Yay!
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