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Abena   

I liked Seven initially, but after a while she had a artificial feel that I just got tired of. As the show progresses, she just seems like a cheap lure for the fanboys. I don't think that the writers developed her personality that well. She grew tedious fast.

I would also impove VOY by laying off on the Borg episodes. I mean their alone in the Delta Quadrant, the Borg's home turf. They can only foil them so many times before luck turns into bad writing.

I wouldn't have Chakotay on the script at all. He has to be the most boring major character ST has ever developed, which is a shame considering the was a first officer. What a waste. Tuvok would have made a better first officer.

I also wish that ST writers would stop creating female characters like Kes, which are absolutely useless aside from their ESP abilities. Their only purpose seems to be to lure in male viewers.

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Cheile   

i add my voices to those who said nix the C/7 BS and develop Chak more. i adored him and they made him practically invisible after, what, sixth season? oy.

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Glenn   

1: Keep the Maquis/Starfleet tension running past Season One.

2: Develop Chakotay more.

3: Make the directing a little more exciting/dramatic.

4: Do something more with races like the Vaadwaur and Species 8472.

5: Have somebody other than Random Ensign #8 die.

I have more specific ones as well. Like, for example, "Endgame" (VGR) - don't have the final credit over that shot of Voyager getting home. Fade to black, then have the credit, with lighter music fading away. Otherwise that episode is perfecto, in my opinion.

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Tone720   
1: Keep the Maquis/Starfleet tension running past Season One.

Agreed, they couldda got up to around 2 Seasons with that I think... maybe not more, lol.

2: Develop Chakotay more.

3: Make the directing a little more exciting/dramatic.

Agreed

4: Do something more with races like the Vaadwaur and Species 8472.

... and less with the Borg?

5: Have somebody other than Random Ensign #8 die.

*volunteers Seven of Nine* :P

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Glenn   
...and less with the Borg?

Nope. I love all the Borg episodes and storylines in Star Trek: Voyager.

C'mon, right, they're in the Delta Quadrant. We know the Borg come from the Delta Quadrant and we know they're one of the most powerful intergalactic races in the entire galaxy. Of course Voyager is going to have sustained contact with them. They'd be bloody lucky not to!

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Tone720   
Nope. I love all the Borg episodes and storylines in Star Trek: Voyager.

C'mon, right, they're in the Delta Quadrant. We know the Borg come from the Delta Quadrant and we know they're one of the most powerful intergalactic races in the entire galaxy. Of course Voyager is going to have sustained contact with them. They'd be bloody lucky not to!

The entire quadrant is a big place. If they wanted sustained contact, they should have done something like Enterprise's Xindi arc in season 3. That didn't get boring like the 'oh noes its a borg ship again, what plot device will get us out of it this time' experience that we got with Voyager. As someone said above, it's only a matter of time before luck turns into bad writing.

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A bit more tension between the crews in the beginning would have been nice.

Apart from Torres breaking Carey's nose, we don't really get to see much other strife in the crew, and on the rare occasions where a Maquis was doing something they shouldn't have been (Seska, Jonois, Suter) they don't exactly get much support from their former crewmates.

Mind, the ep with Tuvok putting a few of the under perfoming memebers through a crash course was amusing.

Borg, well, unavoidable really.

Personally I nearly threw something at the telly when Ransom claimed the Equinox never ran into them.

That was on as par of if they said they'd traversed the Gamma quadrant and not ran into the Dominion, or the Beta quadrant without seeing the Klingons or Romulans :huh:

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Cheile   
Personally I nearly threw something at the telly when Ransom claimed the Equinox never ran into them.

That was on as par of if they said they'd traversed the Gamma quadrant and not ran into the Dominion, or the Beta quadrant without seeing the Klingons or Romulans :huh:

well DaxFan has a good point--Delta is a big place. Voyager and Equinox seemed to traverse two different routes, because Ransom was talking abt other helpful and hostile species that Voyager never ran into and vice versa.

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i actually have only a few gripes about the show!!

1) hehehe!! more harry!!! i know there are going to be a lot of people who are just rolling their eyes at me for this. but, i just felt that after the chute, they could have done something so much more!!!! this was a great tom/harry eppy, it showed the strength of their relationship, and that garrette could just hit it out of the park. i always felt that he did so great as a darker character then the ho-hum character who couldn't get past his feelings of insecurity. there was no growth.

2) I always felt like seven and kes where just too perfect. kes was sweet, beautiful, attracted everyone, and was soooo smart!! *rollseyes* instead make her sweet, beautiful, who sometimes gets into trouble, does things that frustrate the doctor, or gets her into trouble with the captain. Seven, also too perfect!! perfect body, perfect hair, overly intelligent, ever (and i do mean every) man wanted her, and every alien wanted her. she could have been a better character if she didn't excel at everything she did. i wanted to see mistakes, i wanted to see her do wrong, i wanted to see a guy who didn't want to bang her every ten seconds.

3) chakotay/seven, it just felt like they put them together just b/c he wasn't harry(or the doctor), and she wasn't janeway. and who else would they put these two with!!

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Abena   
1) hehehe!! more harry!!! i know there are going to be a lot of people who are just rolling their eyes at me for this. but, i just felt that after the chute, they could have done something so much more!!!! this was a great tom/harry eppy, it showed the strength of their relationship, and that garrette could just hit it out of the park. i always felt that he did so great as a darker character then the ho-hum character who couldn't get past his feelings of insecurity. there was no growth.

I agree. Kim was way too nerdy. The writters didn't really give his personality a chance, imo. He also seemed under appreciated. He often had great ideas, and was invaluable to the ship (didn't he create the astrometrics lab?!) and yet he was still the lone ensign while everone around him got premoted.

2) I always felt like seven and kes where just too perfect.
What do you espect from the fanboy writters. :rolleyes: Females are only valuable to the show if they are someone you can dream/lust after.

3) chakotay/seven, it just felt like they put them together just b/c he wasn't harry(or the doctor), and she wasn't janeway. and who else would they put these two with!!
I haven't seen Endgame, but I don't see why anyone had to be with anyone. They were perfectly fine single. There was no reason mess with the relationships

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Tone720   
2) I always felt like seven and kes where just too perfect. kes was sweet, beautiful, attracted everyone, and was soooo smart!! *rollseyes* instead make her sweet, beautiful, who sometimes gets into trouble, does things that frustrate the doctor, or gets her into trouble with the captain. Seven, also too perfect!! perfect body, perfect hair, overly intelligent, ever (and i do mean every) man wanted her, and every alien wanted her. she could have been a better character if she didn't excel at everything she did. i wanted to see mistakes, i wanted to see her do wrong, i wanted to see a guy who didn't want to bang her every ten seconds.

Seven was FAR from perfect, although she was under the illusion she was perfect (and so apparently were some of the fanboys). She made plenty of mistakes like all the times the Doctor and various others tried to teach her socialising etc, she disobeyed Janeway's direct orders all the time, hardly the model officer, yet Janeway (read: The writers) conveniently overlooked that... seriously had they not been out of comms range of Starfleet, she would have been in the Brig or thrown off the ship. To me she was still a walking stereotype, however much I try and get through that.

She bores me and I don't even think she looks as good as people keep telling me she must look to EVERY MALE EVER!!!! (she is blonde, after all :rolleyes: ), for me she blends in with all the other cloned stereotype blondes on TV that are only there for cheap ratings which is something I do not and have never found attractive in a woman, so no, it's NOT every man that likes her...

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I agree. Kim was way too nerdy. The writters didn't really give his personality a chance, imo. He also seemed under appreciated. He often had great ideas, and was invaluable to the ship (didn't he create the astrometrics lab?!) and yet he was still the lone ensign while everone around him got premoted.

What do you espect from the fanboy writters. :rolleyes: Females are only valuable to the show if they are someone you can dream/lust after.

I haven't seen Endgame, but I don't see why anyone had to be with anyone. They were perfectly fine single. There was no reason mess with the relationships

hey abena and daxfan!! :biggrin: i was thinking about my post earlier, and i wish i had thought about it when i posted it. about kes, i wish they had her a little more immature. wouldn't she have been a teenager according to the Ocampa lifespan?? i wouldn't have minded some foolishness on her part. daxfan, i do acknowledge that she does make mistakes, but the way the writters protray her is as perfection. she had a perfect body, her hair was perfect, even though she had borg implants, she was very alluring. wouldn't it have been nice if the guys didn't drool all over her, wouldn't have been nice if chakotay wasn't like (almost) every other guy and just itching to sleep with her. and on top of that, ferengi's went out of their way for her, the think tank put her on their list of "damands" i actually liked this eppy, then it was we want seven, and i was like Ugh!! :thumbdown: IMO, janeway did look past some of her insubordination, she put tom in the brig for a month and demoted him. she put sutor in his quarters for what he did. (and yes she did commit murder, the species.....er.....whatever that she and the herogans killed) it just felt like next eppy everyone forgot what she did. and i do appreciate that you are saying you don't find her attractive, go to startrek.com and they're literally drooling all over her pics.

sorry, i know i am such a chatter box!! but about your lone ensign comment, in nightingale (which i hated, they made him such an ass) he said he would be a lieutenant if they were in the alpha quadrant, and janeway, really the writters, said arn't you getting a little ahead of yourself. i was like WTF???!!!???!!!

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I quite liked Seven ( I can say this as she's not my gender, never mind type :giggle:)

It was interesting to see her struggle becomming an individual, thinking for herself and at the same time having to abide by the rules of the ship, all the while she had 20 odd years of Borg behaviour to dispel.

She kept thinking she was perfect because that's what the Borg had her think most of her life, and that's what she was programmed to strive to achieve.

Even when severed from the collective I defy anyone to break that train of thought overnight.

When she aided and abbeted the Hirgoen when they were pusuing that lone member of 8472, Janeway confined her to the cargo bay and stripped her of all priveleges until she deemed fit to re-instate them.

Paris was a senior officer for five years so Janeway had no chioce but to lob the book at him as she does from violating the Prime Directive as he did. Truth be told his punishment and Seven's wasn't so far apart.

And anyway, if they were within Comm range of Starfleet I'd wager Janeway would have gotten a psychological team together who could better deal with her trauma from spending so long with the Borg. Let's face it, this was unfamiliar territory for anyone in Starfleet, just where do you start when it comes to rehabilitate someone who spent so long as a drone?

The Think Tank wanted her because she was a unique individual, with a hell of a lot of massed knowlege from a varity of species, that they could use to scam various races out of valuable technologies, and the Ferengi were after her for her nanoprobes because they could make shedloads of profit for selling them. Note they didn't care that their plan would kill her in the process.

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Tone720   
daxfan, i do acknowledge that she does make mistakes, but the way the writters protray her is as perfection. she had a perfect body, her hair was perfect, even though she had borg implants, she was very alluring. wouldn't it have been nice if the guys didn't drool all over her, wouldn't have been nice if chakotay wasn't like (almost) every other guy and just itching to sleep with her. and on top of that, ferengi's went out of their way for her, the think tank put her on their list of "damands" i actually liked this eppy, then it was we want seven, and i was like Ugh!! :thumbdown: IMO, janeway did look past some of her insubordination, she put tom in the brig for a month and demoted him. she put sutor in his quarters for what he did. (and yes she did commit murder, the species.....er.....whatever that she and the herogans killed) it just felt like next eppy everyone forgot what she did. and i do appreciate that you are saying you don't find her attractive, go to startrek.com and they're literally drooling all over her pics.

Indeed, I do agree she was written to the writer's (rather shallow, if you ask me) image of 'perfection' which obviously pleased some but bored me. Definately agreed about the comment about forgetting what she did the next eppy (even Belanna, despite how many times they almost came to blows etc)... bet those lazy pathetic writers would use the excuse "well she's blonde so that justifies it".

Also Starfire RE: becoming an individual and trying to break Borg habits etc, give her a few days with Crusher and Geordi, that worked fine for Hugh, he didn't want to be away from the collective at first but he became more of an interesting character in ONE episode than Seven did in all of hers IMO. Sure we got moments like her being drunk, but let's face it, most of her interesting moments came when there was some other entity taking over her body etc.

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Abena   

I agree with, Dax. Hugh had more development than she did. To me, she didn't develop that much. She still acted and thought like a drone. She didn't embrace her humanity as Voyager claims, but believed that she was superior because she was Borg.

The Borg on VOY reminded me too much of the Vulcans which anoyed me. I understand one still acting like a drone when first liberated, but I would like to see drones actually develop a personality after that. like Hugh and Picard did, not act like they're drones severed from the collective.

Finally, why did VOY always state that Seven of Nine was the first Borg to be an individual when she obviously wasn't? Even Barclay said that. I guess they were trying to give her more significance.

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Tone720   
Finally, why did VOY always state that Seven of Nine was the first Borg to be an individual when she obviously wasn't? Even Barclay said that. I guess they were trying to give her more significance.

Good point, the same mistake Troi made in Descent Part 1 when she said Hugh was the first individual to be rescued from the Collective, must be forgetting her own captain etc :P

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give her a few days with Crusher

Now now, there's no need to be nasty to Seven :giggle:

And you've hit upon something I've had my own questions about.

I can understand Jean-Luc regaining his humanity quickly. He was able to keep enough control to give Data a clue to destroy the Borg Cube after all. Given time, the Borg would have beaten it out of him as surely the tide breaks down a cliff face.

But Hugh? I didn't really buy he'd gain his individuality so quickly.

But then again I don't know how long Hugh's been a drone so I can't fully comment on this. He could have been assimilated years ago or last week. We'll never know.

I still maintain Seven acted the way she did largely because of her extended time as a drone as well as having been assimilated as a child, so she'd have little clue on how to interact with people initially when she was snatched from the Collective.

I mean it takes years to teach a child how to act and respond to stimuli.

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First and foremost I'd put the secondary command module somewhere much less conspicuous and much harder to target than the Voyager's belly, I'm not sure who's idea that was! The only other improvements I'd make would be putting the Airponics bay somewhere much further away from an EPS Manifold and a Warp Plasma conduit, which both happened to be in the Airponics bay, that usually wouldn't be a problem, but with Voyager's Delta quadrant predicament, if there was an overload or similar disaster, there's a chance that %60 of their food supply could be wiped out if the plasma ruptured near the Airponics bay. And finally, I wouldn't have made the front of the ship so elongated and heavy, I know the extra maneuvering thrusters compensated for this, but still, a bit more of an Aerodynamic design would have really hurt, although she wouldn't have been as beautiful... :blush:

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Fish1941   
I always felt like seven and kes where just too perfect. kes was sweet, beautiful, attracted everyone, and was soooo smart!! *rollseyes* instead make her sweet, beautiful, who sometimes gets into trouble, does things that frustrate the doctor, or gets her into trouble with the captain. Seven, also too perfect!! perfect body, perfect hair, overly intelligent, ever (and i do mean every) man wanted her, and every alien wanted her. she could have been a better character if she didn't excel at everything she did. i wanted to see mistakes, i wanted to see her do wrong, i wanted to see a guy who didn't want to bang her every ten seconds.

While I may agree that Kes seemed to perfect, I don't agree with this assessment about Seven. I've always had the feeling that Kes belonged with the over-idealized crew from NEXT GENERATION. Seven, despite her looks and intelligence, was one of the most flawed personalities aboard Voyager. At least to me.

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hey, i had a little time to think this over a little. i do think that they over did the sexpot space girl thing. i do think that if they had given her a uniform, or a more suitable outfit, and that if they didn't have her jump into her sexuality with both feet, it would be more tolerable for me, and not as in your face. for instance, when harry was starting to notice her, a more interesting concept would have been that she was intimidated by it, disgusted by it. i guess it was just too much, and it was so damn transparent that they brought jeri ryan just for her body/beauity, and not for her acting ability. roxan and kate are both very beauitful woman, and yet the writers created interesting, compelling, characters with personality. i just don't see any other reason for seven other then to get a rise in the ratings and some guys LOL!!!

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Guest Ezri D   
Guest Ezri D

With me, Voyager had too many reboots with the series. Voyager is great if you are into reruns and I think it was written to be more accepted in reruns. With the female characters, I wished they could be better with each other. Seven was fine as a character, just feeling that there was to many times it had to be important to show her face and her body. With a number of female characters outside of Star Trek, it is not that important to show the chest of the woman to make a story.

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Fish1941   
With me, Voyager had too many reboots with the series.

What exactly do you mean by that? Too many reboots? Since when?

And while we're on the subject, what would any of you do to improve "The Original Series", "Next Generation", "Deep Space Nine" and "Enterprise"? Because if "Voyager" needed improvement, so did the other series.

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Guest Ezri D   
Guest Ezri D

When I say reboot, let us just stay with the ship itself. How many times the ship was damaged and so damaged it would need to go to a starbase to be repaired. Since Voyager was so far away from a starbase, how did the ship get repaired?

The galaxy class starship only had around 250 photon torpedoes and how many during the whole series did Voyager shoot them off.

Yes, all series could have been better but better to what we as individuals would like to see.

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