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Why do people hate Enterprise?

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What about the entertainment value of Enterprise? The special effects? The classic trek storylines? The cool actors and actresses? I loved Star Trek Enterprise, and could care less about canon.

Okay, you know what...I must chime in!

I understand why certain would like ENT for asthetic reasons. Ahem, thats all I can think of for a pro. Oops.

I'm new to the realm of Star Trek. I started off watching Voyager a over a year ago (all seven seasons). Then I watched DS9 (again, all seven). I know I was doing things kind of backwards but both of those series were absolutely fricken fantastic! I couldn't believe the story lines, the depth of characters, I was completely blown away. And these were shows that have come and gone. To me, it was astonishing. I wouldve never thought I'd be a Trekkie. And here I am.

Now, to Enterprise. After finishing DS9 I thought perhaps I would watch some Enterprise. I wanted to watch TNG but...I was impatient and it wasn't on iTunes so i just nabbed the first season of ENT. WHAT A MISTAKE! I still have yet to finish the second part of Broken Bow. Jesus, who wrote this shit? T'Pol is utterly horrible! Archer...oh Bakula...stick to Quantum Leap! I now completely understand why people detest it. Its nothing like VOY or DS9! Its nothing like Trek.

Oh and I did see the Borg episode of ENT on the Borg Fan Collective DVD. So many things wrong with that. It was just some weak ploy to get higher ratings...uhhhh...except it doesn't work! If a starfleet captain encountered the borg and a doctor discovered an 'antidote' I don't think starfleet would've 'lost' those records. Whatever. Pissed me off.

As Robert Picardo said at the Minneapolis Con this past April, "Well, I hear they're going to make a prequel movie. Hmmm...lets see...a prequel show bombs and gets cancelled soooo....lets make a prequel movie!"

I'm so sick of prequels...I want to see what happens after VOY. Where are the Borg? Give us the Borg and your show will prosper! Bwahaha

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Okay, you know what...I must chime in!

I understand why certain would like ENT for asthetic reasons. Ahem, thats all I can think of for a pro. Oops.

I'm new to the realm of Star Trek. I started off watching Voyager a over a year ago (all seven seasons). Then I watched DS9 (again, all seven). I know I was doing things kind of backwards but both of those series were absolutely fricken fantastic! I couldn't believe the story lines, the depth of characters, I was completely blown away. And these were shows that have come and gone. To me, it was astonishing. I wouldve never thought I'd be a Trekkie. And here I am.

Now, to Enterprise. After finishing DS9 I thought perhaps I would watch some Enterprise. I wanted to watch TNG but...I was impatient and it wasn't on iTunes so i just nabbed the first season of ENT. WHAT A MISTAKE! I still have yet to finish the second part of Broken Bow. Jesus, who wrote this shit? T'Pol is utterly horrible! Archer...oh Bakula...stick to Quantum Leap! I now completely understand why people detest it. Its nothing like VOY or DS9! Its nothing like Trek.

Oh and I did see the Borg episode of ENT on the Borg Fan Collective DVD. So many things wrong with that. It was just some weak ploy to get higher ratings...uhhhh...except it doesn't work! If a starfleet captain encountered the borg and a doctor discovered an 'antidote' I don't think starfleet would've 'lost' those records. Whatever. Pissed me off.

As Robert Picardo said at the Minneapolis Con this past April, "Well, I hear they're going to make a prequel movie. Hmmm...lets see...a prequel show bombs and gets cancelled soooo....lets make a prequel movie!"

I'm so sick of prequels...I want to see what happens after VOY. Where are the Borg? Give us the Borg and your show will prosper! Bwahaha

^ I vote for her to take over the fanchise.

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I wouldn't know, exactly, the supposed canon issues for one, the fact it's a prequel for another (Let's face it, prequels are rarely perceived very well, the dumb and dumber one for example? URG, How I sat through it all, I have no idea). This combined with the very fact B&B had something to do with it, along with people just being convinced NX-01 was more advanced then Kirks Enterprise, etc...

I love the show, it just sticks with me for some reason. I liked the characters, and the acting, and as for the sexuality aspect? pfft, please, go read some behind the scenes stuff on the original series, I once read watched an interview where someone said Gene Roddenberry was screaming at people, beause the chick of the week costume wasn't revealing enough.

An interesting note, I had a friend who couldn't see through the "Violations", and after several lengthy discussions with me, he agreed they are not as bad as others claim. I believe it has to do with the fact you have 40 years of books and fan fictions, down the tube due to ENT, and despite what paramount said, and the fact they have a right to ignore books, the fans, will not ignore them (Although, I do :P)

If this was set post Nemesis, the series might have had a better chance.

I will agree, after the failure of ENT, making the next movie pre TOS is a mistake.

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Most people hated Enterprise because it simply wasn't Voyager. Some say it was because there wasn't enough porno which is sad because that is not what Star Trek is about. I liked Enterprise, just ask anyone here who sat most nights capping each episode up to the end of season 3. Without complaing of having to look at T'Pol's logical face and tone. Who pulled all nighters on the section. So you tell me who hates Enterprise?

To be honest, the only ones who complain about Enterprise as really fans but too shy to admit that it wasn't bad. I still think TNG and DS9 was better.

Enterprise needs continunity, creative writing and no recyled storylines from the other series.

Season Three of Enterprise was one of my favorites. I agree Dave that TNG was better (I've never seen DS9), but Enterprise was not bad either.

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The thing with Enterprise is that it wasn't planned out. Michiel Pillar planned out DS9's plotline and tagline. That show was successful. The same was with TNG it was the same people, if you look at the majority of Enterprise it was written by Berman and Braga. Season 4 showed improvement inmo. Season 3 just copied 9/11 and the war on terror. Star Trek, is about a bright future, not a dim where everything is copied from what happened on Earth of now. If you look at TOS you'll find many stories that tell you racial stories, like Let That Be Your Last Battlefield. It dealt with the black person and white person, without it giving it away. In that episode one was white on the left side while the person was white on right. Enterprise was good, yes but some of it tore holes in what has been said and mentioned. I disagree with people about the Ferengi. Acquisition, we saw Ferengi. People debate the fact it brakes cotinunity. It doesn't. For one Picard encountered unknow aliens at the battle of Maxia, later revaeled to be Ferengi.

"Captain's Log, Stardate 41386.4. We're in pursuit of a starship of Ferengi design. Our mission is to intercept - and recover a T-9 energy converter which the Ferengi stole from an unmanned monitor post on Gamma Tauri IV, a theft which automatic scanners recorded - providing us with the long awaited opportunity to make close contact with a Ferengi vessel. If we succeed in this chase, it will be Starfleet's first look at a lifeform which discounting rumor, we know almost nothing about." - Picards log in The Last Outpost.

It wasn't the first encounter on either account. Look at the ships they are of differnt design. How can you tell?

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Defiant Dave Aug 25 2007, 03:59 PM

The thing with Enterprise is that it wasn't planned out.

they knew the ending - or so they said - though, if they did, they didn't bother giving it to us. . .

i think it was more B&B saying; "well that didn't work this week, we won't try it again next week" kind of thing.

in the words of Captain Archer: "You can't be afraid of the wind. . ." and they certainly were!

ps: scream if you must, but annie is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!

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Defiant Dave Aug 25 2007, 03:59 PM

they knew the ending - or so they said - though, if they did, they didn't bother giving it to us. . .

i think it was more B&B saying; "well that didn't work this week, we won't try it again next week" kind of thing.

in the words of Captain Archer: "You can't be afraid of the wind. . ." and they certainly were!

ps: scream if you must, but annie is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!

I disagree. They jumped right into another new series, they didn't plan it out. They just did a sloppy job. They didn't know the ending, if it was meant to take us right up to 2161 then why ten years before? We'd would've ended the series in the middle or mid way through the Romulan wars. They just used old ideas and didn't pay attention to detail to what had already been said and done. For example the name Enterprise, why Enterprise? Why not Federation or Cochrane or even the Phenonix? I honestly feel they should've went back to the first five year mission of the Enterprise, the April years and it co-insiding with the Pike years. Enterprise is now part of the saga that I love and always will love.

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i thought that's what i was saying :confused:

that first remark was sarcasm, though B & B did tell us [via interview during the first season] that they knew the beginning and the end of the series run. they also told us there was a reason Enterprise was not canon, which we would realize by the end of the seventh season. i recall a huge discussion regarding the future guy and all the Enterprise possibilities at the Mess Hall after this interview.

at any rate it really is too bad they filled the middle so full of "been there done that stories" that folks lost interest.

i think in the right hands it coulda been something wonderful.

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If anyone is interested in seeing what Enterprise could have been like if, the proper time, care, and planning had been done by some talented writers, then check out Star Trek: Foundations It's essentially Enterprise re-imagined the way it should have been.

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oooh! thanks for the link Jimi James, can't wait to give these episodes a look.

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I don't know why. I've only seen a few episodes, and from what I've seen(repeats on scifi) it looked pretty cool.

I just wish I could have caught it when the series had it's first run. I would have but I was to busy either in the military, or in North shore Tahoe. Either way I never had much time for the boob tube.

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Well, this thread has me grinding my teeth, but to be fair, the subject was "Why do people hate Enterprise," so it's not suprising when people respond!

I thought Enterprise was the best series in the franchise, but I watched and loved them all. In retrospect, I have to admit that sticking to canon in terms of story could have yielded great results, namely the start of the Romulan wars...but still, the Xindi arc doesn't disturb me, in fact I thought season 3 was awesome.

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It wasn't the 3rd season that got me most. It was more the fact that 2161 is the founding of the "United Federation of Planets", due to the fact they set the show too far back imo. The original idea was to see the founding and what led to it. It would've been better to set it in 2154. We'd be one year from the Romulan wars and a few years away from the forming.

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I don't hate Enterprise, although I do agree it had lots of problems. And these were very frustrating because it had some good qualities too, and there was definitely potential there. I've seen a lot of comments in the thread about how ENT messed with canon, and I think what a lot of people really mean is continuity with later series. These are separate terms that are sometimes conflated or confused. The series does have a lot of problems in the continuity department, but I can think of very few I'd consider actual canon errors.

I don't think the prequel concept was flawed at all; just its execution. In 40 years of Trek, we've learned little about the Federation and its key races - we hear them referenced, but hardly any details have been fleshed out. That's what I think ENT did well with the Andorians, and what I wanted to see more of in the series.

I posted a thread elsewhere in the forum for people to suggest their changes to the show if they were in charge.

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I love the show. Perhaps people that hate the show have never seen it.

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Nope, at leat not in my case. I've seen it and still think most of it was bollocks.

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I watched it sometimes on television and I don´t liked it so much. Even so I bought all boxes and saw it completely. Now I think Enterprise is OK. It isn´t the best ST serial but I like it too.

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Ooo, controversial topic, my favourite kind :thumbup:

I like Enterprise actually, I think one of the reasons people didn't like it was because it was really a different kind of television than the other Star Treks. Enterprise, in my opinion, was kind of like this:

Enterprise (1 dash = 2%)

Storyline:

---------------

Special Effects:

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Science:

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Sexual features (every show has them, what can I say):

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The other Treks, in my opinion, were kind of like this:

Other Treks (1 dash = 2%)

Storyline:

-----------------

Special Effects:

------------

Science:

----------------

Sexual features (every show has them, what can I say):

-----

As you can see, different kind of television. If Enterprise were part of something closer it than the other Treks, I think it would probably be more popular.

There's also the issue of people who just want to watch an episode or two of it every so often. With Enterprise, you really have to have watched all the previous episodes to get it, and even then it sometimes takes some interpreting.

And, lastly, the issue of some of the episodes not lining up with general, well-known facts of Star Trek canon. The Klingons appeared at the wrong time (about 50 years early I believe), the NX-01 Enterprise doesn't appear on the list of ships previously named Enterprise on that little chart on one of the movies, etcetera.

Imagine it this way:

Star Trek time line: (thanks to elara_ananke, it's now edited)

2151-2161: Enterprise

2265-2269: The Original Series

2364-2378:TNG, DS9, and VOY

28??:3 VOY episodes

30??: A whole bunch of Enterprise episodes leading back to 2151-2161

(could someone help me with this time line? It needs a few less question marks)

In other words, the parts that didn't line up with general, well-known facts of Star Trek canon actually were a result of what happened in Daniels' time, which came after TOS, TNG, DS9, or VOY.

Of course, that could lead to a few changes in the timeline, but someone from some other time could clean that up :confused:

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I believe, the rest of the timeline goes something like this:

2265-2269: The Original Series (this is counting all five years of the "five-year mission")

2364-2370: TNG

2369-2375: DS9

2371-2378: VOY

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Why do people hate Enterprise? I thought that it was a very entertaining show.

That is what TV is all about.........entertainment. If you get something more out of

it then more power to you. Otherwise, if you don't like it then.......don't watch!

Stop making comments about it that will discourage people from watching the show.

Those people may discover it and will find it as wonderful as TOS.

I personally like all of the series. They've entertained me since 1987. You never

know....Enterprise may have the same impact as TOS or TNG had on other people

and get them to watch the rest of the franchise.

I think that everybody should give B and B a break. They had good intentions.

I would rather have them helming the new Star Trek then JJ Abrams.

Lost is a piece of shit. :confused:

Well it gets pretty old when your constantly watching fairly weak ongoing threads, combined with "more of the same" kinds of alien encounters, and very little development of the Federation or Starfleet. They gave us "sauna" scenes of crew members rubbing vaseline-looking ointment on each other's bodies, T'Pol going into "heat", Trip sleeping with everything in sight, etc. :drool:

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The only thing I didn't like about Enterprise was Season 3. It sort of left the track of what Trek is. Archer and his crew looking for revenge for a terrorist attack just didn't fit in with Roddenberry's view of the future. Season 4 was the best where we get to meet and learn about the founding of the Federation and its member races, like the Andorians, etc.

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The only thing I didn't like about Enterprise was Season 3. It sort of left the track of what Trek is. Archer and his crew looking for revenge for a terrorist attack just didn't fit in with Roddenberry's view of the future. Season 4 was the best where we get to meet and learn about the founding of the Federation and its member races, like the Andorians, etc.

Season Three wasn't revenge: they were looking to STOP the weapon.

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Why do people hate Enterprise? I thought that it was a very entertaining show.

Lost is a piece of shit. :confused:

Put simply fan expectations were too high. Most Trek fans think they know everything about the series and its back stories which many a novel, comic, and fan fiction has been written. In many cases fans know more about the show than the writers and actors.

Recently at a Trek convention they had a trivia contest where fans had to stump a panel of Trek experts; the catch, the question had to have dealt with something that happened on the show or was mentioned on the show. Many of the fans questions were thrown out because their questions did not deal with these events. Example; 'Name all Captains of the Costitution Class Enterprise'. Correct Answer; 'Pike, Kirk, Decker, Spock, Kirk'. Fans response; 'You forgot Robert April'. Judges question; 'Was it mentioned in the show?' Fans response; 'NO'. However Robert April exists in Trek lore.

This is why all prequels will fail. At least George Lucas was smart enough to bar anyone from writing or creating anything concerning the era that his prequels would cover. Even then fans still had complaints on what they expected. As for the technology differences between Enterprise and TOS. What did they expect that the crew would be using commuincators that were bigger than the TOS ones. We have cells phones smaller than what was used in Enterprise.

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I think it had little to do with fan knowledge of every detail of Trek Lore, or even the technical side of things. I had no problem with the communicators, the weapons, and I can even look past the design of the ship. What made Enterprise bad was that it didn't do anything new and that's not an argument that Trek always has to move forward because that argument is just as meaningless as the idea that all prequels will suck and therefore shouldn't even be considered.

Enterprise borrowed so much from the other series that it seemed like a younger sibling trying to act like it's older brothers, but never quite pulled off the imitation. Granted all the Trek series have borrowed from the series before them to some extent, but at some point you have to learn to stand on your own and Enterprise never did that. Even in the Third season, which was trying too hard to be like DS9, and the fourth season which I thought was pretty good, it was still borrowing too much from TOS and just became something akin to the writers/producers saying, "hey look we know Trek." It stank of the writers trying to buy us off and make us forget the first three seasons of suckage by forcing a last ditch effort of compacted Trek history down our throats.

It was too little, too late and if Enterprise had started with from the beginning with the attention to detail and history that Season four tried to have, then it might not have felt as forced.

Instead, we got four seasons of poorly developed characters and reused story's from the other series. Enterprise didn't challenge us to think any differently, and like all Trek since Berman took over, it never took itself serious enough. Even when it tried to take itself serious, it came off as a fake serious where the characters seemed to be trying to be completely over the top and out outrageous.

So the continued excuse that it's the fans fault that Enterprise failed doesn't fly, because if they had really tried, they could have easily met and exceeded our expectations.

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