Why do people hate Enterprise?

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Why do people hate Enterprise? I thought that it was a very entertaining show.

That is what TV is all about.........entertainment. If you get something more out of

it then more power to you. Otherwise, if you don't like it then.......don't watch!

Stop making comments about it that will discourage people from watching the show.

Those people may discover it and will find it as wonderful as TOS.

I personally like all of the series. They've entertained me since 1987. You never

know....Enterprise may have the same impact as TOS or TNG had on other people

and get them to watch the rest of the franchise.

I think that everybody should give B and B a break. They had good intentions.

I would rather have them helming the new Star Trek then JJ Abrams.

Lost is a piece of shit. :confused:

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it kicks trek canon in the face!

then spit on it!

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Because the show was sub-par for a Star Trek series. Being bluntly in my opinion, Scott Bakula was not cut out to be a Captain, Jolene Blalock is not a convincing Vulcan, and I generally found the stories not to be of the quality of past series. The characters who I liked were delegated a handful of lines in most episodes I saw(Malcolm, Hoshi, and Phlox), and it also kicked canon in the posterior. It was mediocre television, it was bad Trek.

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I liked Enterprise in a different way than other Star Trek series. It wasn't as good with exploring space and running across mysteries and such, but it was more like a drama with more realistic characters. It was definitely different than the other Treks, but I enjoy watching it as much as any other series.

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Otherwise, if you don't like it then.......don't watch!

Stop making comments about it that will discourage people from watching the show.

Lost is a piece of shit. :confused:

So... it's ok to make discouraging comments about "Lost", but not "Enterprise"?

:huh:

Personally, my biggest problems with "Enterprise" were the canon issues, the whole idea of going backwards in the first place, that it just never felt like Trek to me, and also that Archer & T'Pol annoyed the hell out of me. I tried, I gave it a go for 2 or 3 years, but it lost me. I've heard the show started to get better towards the end, so I would like to give it another go, eventually...

The highlights of the show, for me, were Phlox, Hoshi & Tucker.

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Seems to me that most of the "hate" comments come from Enterprise re-hashing other series storylines, and the trek canon violations - - most specifically episodes Regeneration and Aquisition.

I happen to love Enterprise, always have, always will.......

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it kicks trek canon in the face!

then spit on it!

No it doesnt,

theres always an explanation!

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It does, i cant remember any but when i watched the series i remember thinking many time that it messed with the cannon side of Star rek. The Borg fiasco was justified i have to admit, but still there Earth would'nt just cover up the fact that the Borg were even Alpha quadrant would they. In best of both worlds that was about 200 years after the 22nd centry Borg(24th centry) sent the transmition from the 22nd centry ship. But that still doesnt explain the no knoledge of the Borg.

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It does, i cant remember any but when i watched the series i remember thinking many time that it messed with the cannon side of Star rek. The Borg fiasco was justified i have to admit, but still there Earth would'nt just cover up the fact that the Borg were even Alpha quadrant would they. In best of both worlds that was about 200 years after the 22nd centry Borg(24th centry) sent the transmition from the 22nd centry ship. But that still doesnt explain the no knoledge of the Borg.

Actually Braga & Berman had a very good explanation of the Borg in Enterprise, if I can come across the article I'll paste it here so I don't mis-quote....

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I actually wrote this after being asked what I thought of Enterprise; however I think it also doubles as why I hate it.

Somehow, I managed to do it rather poetically.

Anyway, I can basically sum up all of my feelings toward Enterprise in one simple word.

Illogical.

There is so much I find completely unbearable about this series that I'm afraid even after considerable thought I would be unable to fully categorize the total agglomeration of my grievances. Despite baring the famous shibboleth in it's very title, scarce do I believe it to be of the same caliber and craftsmanship as those who share the sobriquet.

It's characters, being in and of themselves of rather poor character, are placid and at their best, besotted - in what would appear to be a perpetual state of adolescent adulation or absurd animosity, oscillating from one two the other like the waves of the ocean do rock back and forth in their perpetual cycle. Interminable in their lack of quality and yet volatile and irrational in nature. Yes, Enterprise does bare some resemblance to the sea; however, not one of beauty and wonder but rather one of pollution and putridity.

Breaking the edicts of it's ancestors it imagines itself a vagabond. Where-as, in reality it remains nothing more than a testament to the barren and, occasionally, unzipped quality of Berman and Braga's composite psyche.

All time which has transgressed is, to them, nothing more than a dream; an illusion brought about by the foolish fantasies of the olden and obsolete.

A rebirth, a Renaisance - that it what Enterprise presumes itself to be; yet, do we not all know that such talk is nothing short of total absurdity.

In other words -

Enterprise's characters are flat and poorly written. They are unusually sexual in a cheap and poor attempt to make the show appear more 'hip'.

The stories and plots are uninteresting and through some unholy miracle the writers managed to make a fairly interesting subject boring.

There are IMMENSE contradictions to cannon, the most offensive of which, to me at least, is the re-imagining of Vulcan history as well as the fact that the NX-01 appears to be more technologically advanced than the NCC 1701.

Cannon is completely and utterly disregarded, B&B opting instead to just create their own little twisted Trek universe.

In other words -

Illogical.

:vulcan:

My personal grudge against Enterprise actually comes primarily from the fact that they more or less spit all over the Vulcans.

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I actually wrote this after being asked what I thought of Enterprise; however I think it also doubles as why I hate it.

Somehow, I managed to do it rather poetically.

Anyway, I can basically sum up all of my feelings toward Enterprise in one simple word.

Illogical.

There is so much I find completely unbearable about this series that I'm afraid even after considerable thought I would be unable to fully categorize the total agglomeration of my grievances. Despite baring the famous shibboleth in it's very title, scarce do I believe it to be of the same caliber and craftsmanship as those who share the sobriquet.

It's characters, being in and of themselves of rather poor character, are placid and at their best, besotted - in what would appear to be a perpetual state of adolescent adulation or absurd animosity, oscillating from one two the other like the waves of the ocean do rock back and forth in their perpetual cycle. Interminable in their lack of quality and yet volatile and irrational in nature. Yes, Enterprise does bare some resemblance to the sea; however, not one of beauty and wonder but rather one of pollution and putridity.

Breaking the edicts of it's ancestors it imagines itself a vagabond. Where-as, in reality it remains nothing more than a testament to the barren and, occasionally, unzipped quality of Berman and Braga's composite psyche.

All time which has transgressed is, to them, nothing more than a dream; an illusion brought about by the foolish fantasies of the olden and obsolete.

A rebirth, a Renaisance - that it what Enterprise presumes itself to be; yet, do we not all know that such talk is nothing short of total absurdity.

In other words -

Enterprise's characters are flat and poorly written. They are unusually sexual in a cheap and poor attempt to make the show appear more 'hip'.

The stories and plots are uninteresting and through some unholy miracle the writers managed to make a fairly interesting subject boring.

There are IMMENSE contradictions to cannon, the most offensive of which, to me at least, is the re-imagining of Vulcan history as well as the fact that the NX-01 appears to be more technologically advanced than the NCC 1701.

Cannon is completely and utterly disregarded, B&B opting instead to just create their own little twisted Trek universe.

In other words -

Illogical.

:vulcan:

My personal grudge against Enterprise actually comes primarily from the fact that they more or less spit all over the Vulcans.

:thumbsup2: :thumbsup2: :thumbsup2: My thoughts exactly though I never could have written them down so well.... if I start talking about why I dislike ENT I can't seem to find at least a few "nice" words about the series, so I won't do it.

I'll just say that I dislike ENT for various reasons (many of them are mentioned above) and that I do not intend to ever watch it again. It simply doesn't exist for me.

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as well as the fact that the NX-01 appears to be more technologically advanced than the NCC 1701.

This is rediculous. It is nearly impossible to make something look less technologically advanced than the original 1701. The original ship bared resemblance to a child's day care center. Obviously they made up for this by writing great stories, but it doesn't change the fact. I think they did a great job making the NX-01 less technologically sound than past enterprises, but they had to make it better looking. People wouldn't take the series seriously if the ship was poorly designed or built, or looked like a 'Playskool' toy.

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This is rediculous. It is nearly impossible to make something look less technologically advanced than the original 1701. The original ship bared resemblance to a child's day care center. Obviously they made up for this by writing great stories, but it doesn't change the fact. I think they did a great job making the NX-01 less technologically sound than past enterprises, but they had to make it better looking. People wouldn't take the series seriously if the ship was poorly designed or built, or looked like a 'Playskool' toy.

That doesn't mean you can just toss cannon out the window.

They could have designed a ship that would, at least not look like an upside down Akira.

Impossible to make something look less advanced than the 1701? I think not. Seriously, look at the ships on Stargate. Instead of designing it like the Akira it would have made more sense to design it more...box-like. You don't have to make something look stupid for it to look less advanced than the 1701.

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^Exactly, but there wasnt much more to take off the Enterprise nx-01 to make it less like 1701.

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They wouldn't have had to take anything off, I think the very design is flawed in that is was made to reflect the fan-favorite Akira class.

The NX-01 is sleek and rounded. It would make more sense, in my opinion, if it looked like a tanker.

If you look at all the other Enterprises there's a real logical progression in their shape, design and technology. I just think the NX-01 kinda.. contradicts that development. Enterprise isn't so far in the future that everything seems foreign to an average person, such as is the case in other Trek series; rather, it actually does do a decent job of keeping the technological development somewhat consistant in most ways except ship design.

Again, I think it would have made sense for the NX-01 to look more like the ships we see in Stargate, sort of like a flying hunk of metal rather than an upside down Akira.

:dontgetit:

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If i remember correctly, 1701 was build by the united federation of planets using other technologies from ufp members like Vulcans. The design was also done by ufp. NX-01 was built by Earth and to cut a long description short they were more worried about the design of the ship than its technology.

Am i making sense?

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I don't hate Star Trek Enterprise....it just doesn't interest me. I've only seen some episodes there and there.

It was alright.

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The one thing ENT is good for is the hot Vulcan chic, eh Jay? :P:laugh:

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I'm not so sure people really do. I think the haters are just louder. All the series have their detractors, except for maybe TNG.

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Every means of account fan opinion of Enterprise indicates it is the single most disliked series, far beyond any of the others. You have to clump everyone who hates TOS, TNG, DS9 and/or Voyager together to get the same numbers. The show's ratings where sad to say the least; even on cable they'd have only been so-so. The products sold tied-in to Enterprise... didn't sell; indeed, Art Asylum nearly went bankrupt as a result of the losses they suffered on Enterprise merchendise, and refused to produce anything else for the show. The Hallmark ornaments centered around Enterprise where the worst-selling of all the many years and variations of such. The Enterprise DVDs sold poorly. Enterprise syndication rights are valued far below their Trek siblings. Enterprise gained more negative reaction than all of the rest of Trek combined. The reasons are varied, but in the end you can sum it up in one word if you really have to: prequel.

The very concept of a prequel - going back to before something successful's story began - is flawed. In the case of Enterprise, you had contradictions to canon which irked some, wooden acting which irked others, a flawed premise which irked yet more still, redundant plots, technology more advanced looking on a show based 100 years before TOS than on TOS, TMPs, and TNG, the ever-present adolescent sex-jokes - T'Pol's very casting was determined entirely for sex appeal - two-dimensional characters that you couldn't relate to (with perhaps the exception of Trip to a degree) and a lack of delivery upon the 'adventure' required for Trek. Something most prequels suffer from because, after all, what suspense and adventure can be had when you know who lives, dies, and what they go on to be?

Add to it that you had the same production team who had been at the top for, in some cases, 18 years, trying to - for the fourth time - re-hash the same product in a new package, after an over-saturation of the market for said past 18 years - a creative team that to some extents had irritated, angered, and disenfranchised so many already that it was almost impossible to draw people back and... well... Enterprise is what you get.

It was a wooden show, with bad acting, shallow characters, poor stories, a flawed premise, no originality... basically, it was the Anti-Star Trek.

Short of taking place in the same fictional universe, it had nothing in common with Trek.

In my experience, the few who "love" Enterprise are either very young and thus, more fans of the Special Effects and the show they got to see first run, or are just... anomolies. Random and unexplainable individuals who like the show for personal reasons that... no one but they can quite fathom, lol.

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Good Topic.

Personally I Love The Show! :thumbsup2:

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Stop making comments about it that will discourage people from watching the show.

In a word - no.

1. Like anyone else here, I can and will say my piece and comment. While I did like many of the shows in season 4, IMO, the 1st and 2nd season sucked, so much so that I never even bothered watching season 3.

2. If someone chooses not to watch something based on someone else's opinion, that's their perogative.

3. If you like the show, that should be enough for you, i.e. you should feel secure enough with yourself and what you like, as opposed to being worried about people's negative opinions about the show and how they may or may not effect other people.

Lost is a piece of shit.

Wait, why is it OK for you to make a comment that could discourage people from watching that show? :rolleyes:

:WarBird:

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:thumbsup2: :thumbsup2: :thumbsup2: My thoughts exactly though I never could have written them down so well.... if I start talking about why I dislike ENT I can't seem to find at least a few "nice" words about the series, so I won't do it.

I'll just say that I dislike ENT for various reasons (many of them are mentioned above) and that I do not intend to ever watch it again. It simply doesn't exist for me.

What about the entertainment value of Enterprise? The special effects? The classic trek storylines? The cool actors and actresses? I loved Star Trek Enterprise, and could care less about canon.

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Most people hated Enterprise because it simply wasn't Voyager. Some say it was because there wasn't enough porno which is sad because that is not what Star Trek is about. I liked Enterprise, just ask anyone here who sat most nights capping each episode up to the end of season 3. Without complaing of having to look at T'Pol's logical face and tone. Who pulled all nighters on the section. So you tell me who hates Enterprise?

To be honest, the only ones who complain about Enterprise as really fans but too shy to admit that it wasn't bad. I still think TNG and DS9 was better.

Enterprise needs continunity, creative writing and no recyled storylines from the other series.

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