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Voyager: Endgame, the final episode. For some reason I decided to rewatch a Voyager - not something I get a yen to do very often, and I decided to watch the final episode. I hadn't seen it since original transmission (whereas, I confess, I've watched the final episodes of TNG, DS9 and even the awful last ep of ENT many times). Sadly, I feel like my original assessment all those years ago on original broadcast was exactly right - it's all quite humdrum. The Borg, at this point were so emasculated they could've been almost any generic enemy and you never get a sense that the odds are really stacked against Voyager. It's just not as epic as it should be, nor satisfying in terms of character stuff. When they arrive home, the episode just sort of cuts off - there's no epilogue, no fanfare. Maybe they thought the beginning sequence with the fireworks and the alt-timeline of Voyager flying past the Golden Gate Bridge was enough. All told, it's a very average episode and a pretty poor finale. 

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13 hours ago, Robin Bland said:

Voyager: Endgame, the final episode. For some reason I decided to rewatch a Voyager - not something I get a yen to do very often, and I decided to watch the final episode. I hadn't seen it since original transmission (whereas, I confess, I've watched the final episodes of TNG, DS9 and even the awful last ep of ENT many times). Sadly, I feel like my original assessment all those years ago on original broadcast was exactly right - it's all quite humdrum. The Borg, at this point were so emasculated they could've been almost any generic enemy and you never get a sense that the odds are really stacked against Voyager. It's just not as epic as it should be, nor satisfying in terms of character stuff. When they arrive home, the episode just sort of cuts off - there's no epilogue, no fanfare. Maybe they thought the beginning sequence with the fireworks and the alt-timeline of Voyager flying past the Golden Gate Bridge was enough. All told, it's a very average episode and a pretty poor finale. 

I re-watched that one about a year (or less?) ago.   Felt the same.

 

LSTIW:

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Been getting back into TAS.  Watched “Once Upon a Planet” (the Westworld-ish sequel to “Shore Leave”) and “The Magicks of Megas-Tu” (very ‘70s; there was a lot of supernatural/occult stuff in those days... even Dr Who had the “Daemons”).   Currently watching “Mudd’s Passion.”  I normally loathe Harry Mudd, but this was a decent use of the character, just to see his love potion work on Spock and Nurse Chapel... a total fan service moment! :laugh:

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^ Seriously... the networks really thought this was a cartoon for KIDS!  :giggle:

I know I’m in the minority on this, but I consider TAS pretty much canon.   Even the sillier episodes (“Infinite Vulcan” “Practical Joker” “Bem” etc) are really no worse than the canonical space hippies of TOS' “Way To Eden” or the demon-in-a-shower-curtain-played-by-a-lawyer in “And the Children Shall Lead.” 

 

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TNG's "The Vengeance Factor"

 

Kind of an unsung hero episode for me. It's nicely-paced, Lisa Wilcox gives a surprisingly nuanced performance, and one of the bits that sets it apart for me is that not only do you see Picard play mediator realistically and well, we see two sides that aren't so diametrically opposed that it actually takes Yuta dying or something else catastrophic for one side to see the light. There probably would be peace without that.

My only real hit for this episode is that the only reason Yuta dies or has to is because Riker needs to be extra sullen at the end.

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8 hours ago, Sehlat Vie said:

I re-watched that one about a year (or less?) ago.   Felt the same.

it went out "not with a bang, but a whimper."

8 hours ago, Sehlat Vie said:

 

I know I’m in the minority on this, but I consider TAS pretty much canon.   Even the sillier episodes (“Infinite Vulcan” “Practical Joker” “Bem” etc) are really no worse than the canonical space hippies of TOS' “Way To Eden” or the demon-in-a-shower-curtain-played-by-a-lawyer in “And the Children Shall Lead.” 

 

 

It's totally canon to me, too. I'm going to go and watch some more to wash myself clean of that cruddy "after-VOY" feeling.

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12 hours ago, Robin Bland said:

it went out "not with a bang, but a whimper."

It's totally canon to me, too. I'm going to go and watch some more to wash myself clean of that cruddy "after-VOY" feeling.

It helps. :laugh:

 

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TAS (of course) "Terratin Incident"; which was really not all that different in concept from DS9's "One Little Ship." 

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I watched TNG's "Genesis" earlier today. And I'm soooo looking forward to the next episode on my list: "MASKS". One of my top 5 TNG episodes. *squeals* (I swear I'll get myself a TEAM KORGANO t-shirt at some point)

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5 minutes ago, Mr.Picard said:

I watched TNG's "Genesis" earlier today. And I'm soooo looking forward to the next episode on my list: "MASKS". One of my top 5 TNG episodes. *squeals* (I swear I'll get myself a TEAM KORGANO t-shirt at some point)

Did we discuss this episode before? I remember I found myself pretty much alone when I said I like "Masks"! :laugh:

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1 hour ago, Mr.Picard said:

I watched TNG's "Genesis" earlier today. And I'm soooo looking forward to the next episode on my list: "MASKS". One of my top 5 TNG episodes. *squeals* (I swear I'll get myself a TEAM KORGANO t-shirt at some point)

Ah, "Genesis"...yet another episode that showcases Beverly Crusher's 'talents' as a physician.  :giggle:

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2 hours ago, Sehlat Vie said:

Ah, "Genesis"...yet another episode that showcases Beverly Crusher's 'talents' as a physician.  :giggle:

I like "Genesis" because I like the devolution idea. It plays well on screen and I always sort of like any episode from "Doomsday Machine" to "Disaster" that trashes that otherwise nice, pristine ship.

But, yes. This marks another instance of Crusher's incompetence. I really think that things like this and performing autopsies on people for no reason she can point to beyond suspicion and "The High Ground" where it's her arrogance as much as anything else that puts Picard seconds from shot. Or makes her perfectly willing to lock Worf in sickbay for months or years or life until he thinks as she wants, that makes her wholly unfit for starship duty. 

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There are lots and lots of episodes where Crusher messes up and/or pushes her questionable medical ethics on her patients... but "Genesis" has one big advantage over the others: She isn't there most of the time, which means I can just sit back and enjoy the episode. :laugh: 

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Watched my “Redemption” blu ray with the audio commentary; fascinating stuff.    Learned a lot.  Had no idea the Klingon Kups used (hehe; see what I did there?) were old props from “The Ten Commandments” (1956).

From Moses to the Duras’ sisters.  That’s quite a journey.  :giggle:

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Enterprise - Regeneration.

Still a great episode that restores to the Borg a sense of remorseless creepiness that they'd been missing in all the Voyager appearances they made after Scorpion. I care not one jot for protests that it ruins continuity. It takes place 'after' First Contact anyway, so there's always the argument continuity was changed.

 

DS9 - The Way of the Warrior

Haven't watched this for years, and actually found it kind of talky and a little overlong. Worf's reintroduction to the franchise is a bit laborious, although it's good to see him. The interaction between the crew on a personal level is involving enough but much of this feature-length episode feels filled with stuff happening offstage that the characters all talk about so that the producers could save the budget for the action-packed last reel. Also we get Klingons being very, very Klingon and sometimes you just want them to seem like a convincingly spacegoing race and not just Vikings who happen to be gifted with spaceships. Nonetheless, that final battle is great and very memorable, but the episode as a whole feels a little off-balance and weighted towards the climax.  

 

Enterprise - Twilight

All Trek shows have done the parallel universes or "What if?" timelines, and while this episode might not be original in its premise, its treatment of it is. It's also weirdly moving. T'Pol's loyalty to Archer, his crew's loyalty to him and the desperation of their situation is believably tense. The whole thing moves to a crescendo where you know a reset is coming, but it's all impeccably delivered. one of S3's best efforts. I'm appreciating Enterprise more and more whenever I rewatch. That show had an excellent crew - a great and appealing cast. Archer, Phlox and T'Pol in this one are just superb. But so are all the others, in their short supporting roles.

 

Voyager - The Raven

Not many Voyager episodes draw me back, but this Bryan Fuller scripted one did. After Seven arrives on the show, every episode becomes a Borg episode, sorta. This story, exploring her origins, is actually both a pretty great character piece with some cool action thrown in. It's really pacy and dramatic and gives Jeri Ryan a chance to show how good she is given the right material. No wonder it felt like the show was on the up when she arrived. The Raven humanizes Seven without reducing her Borg capabilities, giving her backstory that probably shouldn't be thought about too hard, continuity buffs. Again. Boy, did Trek ever overlook established Borg continuity for the sake of story expediency sometimes. It's still a good episode, though, and felt fun to watch after my recent "Meh" experience with Endgame.

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DS9 - One Little Ship 

A fun romp, always enjoyed this one. Well, I say a fun romp, but there's lot of death - it's war. 

DS9 - In the Pale Moonlight 

Being in the mood for some dramatic Trek in the run-up to the debut of Discovery, thought I'd rewatch this one. Still holds up incredibly well. When the Romulan Senator holds up the forged Cardassian data stick and hisses, "It's a faaaaaake!" you can feel Sisko's skin crawl. Then, as he proceeds to justify his actions to himself, and Garak's too, you see his moral scruples unfurl, one after the other, sure as he is in the knowledge that one or two little evils justify the greater good. But is he...? Magnificent. 

Voyager - The Year of Hell, parts 1 & 2

Why Voyager didn't just use these two episodes as a basic blueprint for the rest of the show's run is beyond me. While the discussions of rewriting time are loopy (in a good way), the slow destruction of this ship and Janeway's obsessive behaviors are compelling. This story, and The Raven, were so much better than my recent rewatch of Endgame - enjoyed them enough to think I'll cherry-pick and watch a few more. 

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VGR, “Equinox” parts 1 and 2.

Don’t know why I’ve been in the mood to revisit VGR again lately, but what's even more curious is that I’m not disliking it, either... :dontgetit:

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On 9/19/2017 at 10:16 PM, Sehlat Vie said:

VGR, “Equinox” parts 1 and 2.

Don’t know why I’ve been in the mood to revisit VGR again lately, but what's even more curious is that I’m not disliking it, either... :dontgetit:

I'll be the first one to say that Voyager consistently knocked two-parters out of the park. They aren't just almost all watchable...they're REALLY good.

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24 minutes ago, prometheus59650 said:

I'll be the first one to say that Voyager consistently knocked two-parters out of the park. They aren't just almost all watchable...they're REALLY good.

Have to agree on that.  I also enjoyed “Future’s End” and “Dark Frontier” as well.  

I’m thinking my younger self was a bit overly harsh on some of these; watching them now, they’re decent time passers.   Not exactly reinventing the wheel, but decent.   Some are still dreadful (those episodes in the holographic Irish village...oh sweet Beelzebub, those suck!), but most are passable. 

 

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17 minutes ago, Sehlat Vie said:

Have to agree on that.  I also enjoyed “Future’s End” and “Dark Frontier” as well.  

I’m thinking my younger self was a bit overly harsh on some of these; watching them now, they’re decent time passers.   Not exactly reinventing the wheel, but decent.   Some are still dreadful (those episodes in the holographic Irish village...oh sweet Beelzebub, those suck!), but most are passable. 

 

"Killing Game," "Year of Hell." "Scorpion." They pretty much all worked.

But when that show is bad it's just whole other levels of awful.

And you know holodecks are a crutch when, by the second episode the show is engaging in rediculous technobabble about their power systems being incompatible with the rest of the ship in order to keep them around.

Hell, I can go to Walgreen's and buy a 110/220 adapter and Geordi and Data can get a shuttle that's temporally out of synch to work.

I just don't think Harry and B'lanna tried all that hard.

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Since I was going through TNG (since I've been working on "Star Trek: The Next Generation - The Galaxy Chronicles") - http://theomegasector.com/index.php?/topic/23203-star-trek-the-next-generation-the-galaxy-chronicles/) - the last one I saw was the dreadful "Angel One" episode (been watching 'em in order). Sometimes I wonder how the show managed to prevail after the first season (and second season, though season 2 DEFINITELY had its moments).

One thing that always escaped me about "Datalore" was that the senior staff was oblivious to Wesley Crusher's warnings. You'd think they'd be a bit more suspicious about the Date/Lore situation when Lore masqueraded as Data (from his voice saying "beautiful, isn't it?" when the crystalline entity intercepts the Enterprise).

 

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30 minutes ago, Rusty0918 said:

Since I was going through TNG (since I've been working on "Star Trek: The Next Generation - The Galaxy Chronicles") - http://theomegasector.com/index.php?/topic/23203-star-trek-the-next-generation-the-galaxy-chronicles/) - the last one I saw was the dreadful "Angel One" episode (been watching 'em in order). Sometimes I wonder how the show managed to prevail after the first season (and second season, though season 2 DEFINITELY had its moments).

One thing that always escaped me about "Datalore" was that the senior staff was oblivious to Wesley Crusher's warnings. You'd think they'd be a bit more suspicious about the Date/Lore situation when Lore masqueraded as Data (from his voice saying "beautiful, isn't it?" when the crystalline entity intercepts the Enterprise).

 

It's a continuing thread of "Wesley Crusher: Unappreciated Genius" that runs throughout season 1, that, in this case, really displays the ignorance of the crew. One would think that someone in charge would have learned their lesson after "Where No One..." when, if Riker had given Wesley thirty freaking seconds, especially when, what he DID hear before he shut Wesley down was him trying to say he SAW SOMETHING with Kozinski's assistant, they could have saved themselves a lot of time.

But, no, let's almost get feasted upon by the Crystalline Entity because, "Shut up, Wesley. You get to be a bridge officer, but you are never to speak."

 

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1 hour ago, prometheus59650 said:

It's a continuing thread of "Wesley Crusher: Unappreciated Genius" that runs throughout season 1, that, in this case, really displays the ignorance of the crew. One would think that someone in charge would have learned their lesson after "Where No One..." when, if Riker had given Wesley thirty freaking seconds, especially when, what he DID hear before he shut Wesley down was him trying to say he SAW SOMETHING with Kozinski's assistant, they could have saved themselves a lot of time.

But, no, let's almost get feasted upon by the Crystalline Entity because, "Shut up, Wesley. You get to be a bridge officer, but you are never to speak."

Some of his later episodes weren't so bad. Of course his best one has to be "The First Duty" when he's taken down a peg. Episodes such as "Remember Me" and "Final Mission" weren't so bad (although someone tell me why a fountain has a friggin' sentry protecting it for no apparent reason whatsoever?).

Yeah, I agree, that really showed incompetence with the crew in Season 1.

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15 minutes ago, Rusty0918 said:

Some of his later episodes weren't so bad. Of course his best one has to be "The First Duty" when he's taken down a peg. Episodes such as "Remember Me" and "Final Mission" weren't so bad (although someone tell me why a fountain has a friggin' sentry protecting it for no apparent reason whatsoever?).

Yeah, I agree, that really showed incompetence with the crew in Season 1.

And I say all that as someone that's never been all that much of a fan of young Mr. Crusher, but those two episodes in particular are demeaning the character for no real reason.

I like "The First Duty." The only bummer for me has nothing to do with him. I simply wish Paramount had ponied up royalties to let McNeil be Locarno in Voyager.

I like most of "Final Mission," but it loses steam for me once Dirgo dies.

 

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5 minutes ago, prometheus59650 said:

And I say all that as someone that's never been all that much of a fan of young Mr. Crusher, but those two episodes in particular are demeaning the character for no real reason.

I like "The First Duty." The only bummer for me has nothing to do with him. I simply wish Paramount had ponied up royalties to let McNeil be Locarno in Voyager.

I like most of "Final Mission," but it loses steam for me once Dirgo dies.

I'm inclined to agree about having McNeil be Locarno. I know in the novels, in "Seven Deadly Sins," the Borg part, Locarno has taken up privateering after his expulsion from Starfleet Academy and ends up getting assimilated by the Borg.

As with Jean Hajar, I imagined that she quit the Academy not too long after the Nova Squadron incident and joined the Maquis after hearing about Sito Jaxa's demise (from TNG's "Lower Decks").

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5 minutes ago, Rusty0918 said:

I'm inclined to agree about having McNeil be Locarno. I know in the novels, in "Seven Deadly Sins," the Borg part, Locarno has taken up privateering after his expulsion from Starfleet Academy and ends up getting assimilated by the Borg.

Well...sucks to be him, I guess.

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It's interesting to see in "Justice" how Wesley Crusher said to the mediators that were about to execute him "I'm with Starfleet, we don't lie" and yet in the episode "The First Duty," of course he DOES lie (and gets taken down a peg for it) and both episodes had scenes shot in the Tillman Water Reclamation Plant! And of course Wesley gets in trouble in both episodes!

I know later on (not initially when the episode aired), I had a nightmare or two about that Edo God ship, and I remember (silly as it was) pulling the covers over my head fearing the Edo God ship would appear out my bedroom windows! The scene on the bridge leading up to the revealing of the Edo God was a bit creepy, at least to me back when I was eleven!

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I just saw the TNG episode "11001001," while better than "Angel One," there's one big problem with it, is what caused the Bynars' computer to fail - an EMP caused by a supernova in their star system. Forgive me for saying this, but wouldn't a supernova destroy the Bynar homeworld? I mean, it would more than just knock out their main computer. If the planet wasn't destroyed, the radiation from said supernova would make the whole planet uninhabitable.

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