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Star Trek: Discovery occurs in an alternate universe

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Maltz   

Despite what the writers have said, there simply is no way DSC occurs in the same universe as TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT. Things like Starfleet uniforms and tech, as well as the radical redesign of the Klingons and their ships, make it an impossibility. The only way it can make sense is if it takes place in an alternate universe that is distinct from both the Prime and Kelvin realities.

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TNG, DS9 and VOY already don't occur in the same universe as TOS. They contradict TOS repeatedly.

As to the uniforms and such? Not proof in and of itself. You can chalk those up to aesthetic choices completely necessary in 2017.

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Maltz   

There's no reconciling the show's depiction of Klingons with other iterations though, either in terms of their physical appearance or the look of their vessels.

10 minutes ago, prometheus59650 said:

TNG, DS9 and VOY already don't occur in the same universe as TOS. They contradict TOS repeatedly.

As to the uniforms and such? Not proof in and of itself. You can chalk those up to aesthetic choices completely necessary in 2017.

And the in-narrative reason?

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36 minutes ago, Maltz said:

There's no reconciling the show's depiction of Klingons with other iterations though, either in terms of their physical appearance or the look of their vessels.

And the in-narrative reason?

There doesn't need to be one when the lion's share of your viewership and the viewership you'd like to reach literally laugh out loud at the original TOS aesthetic.

I've witnessed it. Vie has witnessed it.

They laugh. 

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41 minutes ago, prometheus59650 said:

There doesn't need to be one when the lion's share of your viewership and the viewership you'd like to reach literally laugh out loud at the original TOS aesthetic.

I've witnessed it. Vie has witnessed it.

They laugh. 

What about the Klingons? Neither their physical appearance or the appearance of their ships needed to be changed.

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Maybe it is set in the post First Contact/Enterprise universe. Perhaps the Enterprise E crew going back in time led to the first warp 5 ship being called Enterprise. Then perhaps in this universe the technology advanced at a different rate than in the original universe, and perhaps the Klingon augment virus was cured in this universe. Perhaps this universe's cure for the virus made the Klingons look how they did millions of years ago.

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37 minutes ago, Maltz said:

What about the Klingons? Neither their physical appearance or the appearance of their ships needed to be changed.

Shrug.

Roddenberry never explained the transition from smooth to ridge between TOS and TMP in the narrative. That really didn't need to be changed either, to be honest. Did it, never explained it, he had the wheel of the franchise, was his call to make, made it.

Same as today. 

17 minutes ago, Dillkid said:

Maybe it is set in the post First Contact/Enterprise universe. Perhaps the Enterprise E crew going back in time led to the first warp 5 ship being called Enterprise. Then perhaps in this universe the technology advanced at a different rate than in the original universe, and perhaps the Klingon augment virus was cured in this universe. Perhaps this universe's cure for the virus made the Klingons look how they did millions of years ago.

As good an explanation as any.

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10 hours ago, Maltz said:

And the in-narrative reason?

There isn’t one.  Just as there wasn’t one when TMP premiered in 1979.  They didn’t reconcile the Klingon’s TMP look with TOS' version for 26 years (!).  I just chalk it up to a different breed of Klingons; at least until there is (or isn’t?) an in-universe explanation. 

8 hours ago, prometheus59650 said:

Shrug.

Roddenberry never explained the transition from smooth to ridge between TOS and TMP in the narrative. That really didn't need to be changed either, to be honest. Did it, never explained it, he had the wheel of the franchise, was his call to make, made it.

Same as today. 

^ Or... I could’ve just waited for Prometheus to word it more succinctly than I could. :giggle:

9 hours ago, Dillkid said:

Maybe it is set in the post First Contact/Enterprise universe. Perhaps the Enterprise E crew going back in time led to the first warp 5 ship being called Enterprise. Then perhaps in this universe the technology advanced at a different rate than in the original universe, and perhaps the Klingon augment virus was cured in this universe. Perhaps this universe's cure for the virus made the Klingons look how they did millions of years ago.

That’s kind of my working theory as well.   IMO, everything in ENT is an alternate, post-"First Contact" timeline that only later on begins to merge in symmetry with TOS’ universe (against the laws of entropy granted; but hey... it’s entertainment). 

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Maltz   

The first Discovery novel made an effort to explain why the uniforms and tech in the show are different to those in TOS "The Cage." They should do something similar with the Klingons.

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5 hours ago, Maltz said:

The first Discovery novel made an effort to explain why the uniforms and tech in the show are different to those in TOS "The Cage." They should do something similar with the Klingons.

Well, to be honest, almost any explanation for their sudden, completely alien new appearance will be inadequate to some (or most?) fans.  Even ENT's "Divergence" didn't really explain how older Klingons like Kor, Kang and Koloth were 'augment-smooth' in the 23rd century and back to 'Rocky road' in the 24th.

While I appreciated "Desperate Hours" ' attempt to explain the Constitution class crews having a more 'relaxed' uniform, it doesn't explain the tabulating computers and other anachronistic technology of that class; nor does it explain how the Shenzhou (a much older ship, according to DH), would look state of the art even in Jean-Luc Picard's time.

Sometimes you just have to bite the phaser and admit that some changes are simply because Star Trek is no longer constrained by the limited production values of 1960s television. 

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