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Ummmmm...

If someone has never seen Star Trek, or any other SF TV for that matter, The Orville might be more fun. 

Plus +  They have seat belts.

Minuses-  Almost every other derivative moment - AND - a penis joke in the first 6 minutes.  I'm not a fan of Seth McFarlane so IO was expecting his level of sophomoric humor but the plot(?) was so lacking in originality that it was painful.  I've got it set to DVR and I'll give it another couple of tries but I don't anticipate a long term relationship.

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I enjoyed it but sometimes the humor seemed out of place. I'll keep watching. Plus, I've been a fan of Adrianne Palecki since she was cast as Wonder Woman.

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Saw it last night as well; it's essentially ST with a slightly (and I do mean slightly) raunchier sense of humor that was surprisingly juvenile and unsophisticated, especially given the treasure trove of potential parody within a ST-style format.  Part of the problem that I saw was the show's earnestness; it's basically a regulation ST series.   The humor is less the driving force of the show, and more like an occasional sprinkling atop a surprisingly bland pudding.  I wonder if McFarlane has the chops to do a genuine skewering of the source material, or is he too in love with it (?).  

I pretty much watched it as a straight show, and not a comedy.  Frankly it wasn't funny enough to qualify as a Galaxy Quest-style parody (GQ is much more on target with its parodic aim), but it was sincere enough to qualify as a new sub-ST series. 

I'm not sure where it goes from here, but I might watch a few more in hope that it finds its comedic chops.  As it is right now, it's a too-earnest imitation than a subversive parody (ala Young Frankenstein, Spaceballs or Blazing Saddles; Mel Brooks would've taken this ball and RUN with it...).  

There were more moments where I wondered how they kept CBS legal off their backs rather than the alien adversaries...

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There wasn't much to it. Partly, I don't think the ep was particularly well-paced. I don't think I needed to see his wife in bed with the guy, and there was a little too much ship porn coming out of dry dock. It just seemed a little too fast....time could have been better served showing me something else.

This show's biggest problem is that it wants too much to walk the line in the middle of the road. It doesn't know if it wants to be a straight up parody of Star Trek like Galaxy Quest or even The Naked Gun on a Spaceship or a sort of TNG reboot with a lighter tone.

As a result, it doesn't commit to a premise either way and push it and play with it.

Maybe it figures itself out in coming weeks, but I doubt it has a lot of time.

I was sufficiently entertained, particularly since there was nothing else to watch last night. As I suspected months ago, I'll be riding it out for the few weeks it'll be on.

I post occasionally on gameinformer and there was a guy there responding to an article about DSC where he said the show looked like crap and The Orville was going to be a hit while DSC didn't get a second season. I said DSC's second season is already partially paid for and for CBS not to greenlight it that far would be an admission of cataclysmic failure, so it won't happen, while The Orville will not see 22 episodes. I'm not sure even 13 will air.

And I stand by that.

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19 minutes ago, prometheus59650 said:

and there was a little too much ship porn coming out of dry dock.

I even groaned out loud at that (and I was alone last night).  So many shallow pokes at TOS/TNG moments that I wish I'd kept a list.

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3 minutes ago, Mutai Sho-Rin said:

I even groaned out loud at that (and I was alone last night).  So many shallow pokes at TOS/TNG moments that I wish I'd kept a list.

And he loves Star Trek. I don't know if he loves it too much to skewer it well, or if he thinks this is some sort of homage. Whatever it is, it's not working as he hoped.

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41 minutes ago, prometheus59650 said:

And he loves Star Trek. I don't know if he loves it too much to skewer it well, or if he thinks this is some sort of homage.

^
And I think this is the problem in a nutshell; I think SMF loves the source material too much to objectively skewer it.    As it was, Orville’s premiere felt like a TNG sequel with some penis and wee-wee jokes. 

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1 hour ago, Sehlat Vie said:

^
And I think this is the problem in a nutshell; I think SMF loves the source material too much to objectively skewer it.    As it was, Orville’s premiere felt like a TNG sequel with some penis and wee-wee jokes. 

It's unfortunate. I mean, all Trek, but especially TOS and TNG, are ripe for it. At some point in fandom you anthropomorphize what you love a little bit and maybe he has. Maybe he doesn't want to tarnish the show somehow, or maybe he has a little fan's voice in his head that says, "Don't make fun of these characters" because Stewart voices on American Dad and Nana Visitor is now pretty regularly on Family Guy.

But, if he was going to do this thing he had to push it to the wall and his result is just bland. It's not quite serious enough to be taken seriously or outlandish enough to be laughed at even if you're sort of embarrassed that you did.

Hell, Patrick Stewart's tastes in humor tend toward the crass and he'd be the last person who'd care if you mocked the hell out of Picard with your Texan freighter captain John Luke Pikerd so long as it was funny.

 

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I enjoyed it for what it was. It was average to below average and forgettable like I find most tv that way nowadays.

There are about 100 cop/detective shows on tv if you count repeats and they all have about 10 basic plots that you mix and match and add something unusual to to make an episode. There are only a few good shows among a pile of drek and which shows are the good shows depends on personal preference. 

At least the special effects were mildly interesting. It''s the kind of show that I'll watch when I remember to and when it disappears, i won't notice its gone for a few months. 

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The best joke was the first one, when the blue alien had an orgasm out of his forehead. "Do you know how hard it is to get blue out of a white lamp shade?"

That said, the funny was few and far between because McFarland wants to make a serious Sci-fi show. That's fine. It's also fine to do a homage to 90s Trek that is not an outright parody or satire. He apparently wants to re-create the kind of TV show that TNG was. Again, that is fine, but doing that 20 years after that type of show reached peak exhaustion, you are kind of obligated to do something different with the format you are trying to recreate. If the Orville pilot's plot was a TNG episode, it would have been a middling D+/C- episode that no one would remember or talk about afterward. It was a dull, conventional story that anyone who has seen Star Trek or Star Wars has seen a hundred times. 

I'm trying to think of another show that has tried this kind of loving recreation without being an parody.... Stranger Things lovingly recreates the 1980s/90s sci-fi horror genre, and it has many of the same elements of X-Files and Twin Peaks with some Spielberg and Stephen King thrown in. But it depicts all those elements in a completely fresh way that equals the best of modern TV while also being completely in synch with the classic elements. When I was watching Stranger Things last year I thought to myself "Who needs the X-Files revival with a show this good."

But the show runners are not thinking of that show or even Galaxy Quest as a template. They think of MASH as a model, which is telling. By this I think they mean that MASH is a show about serious issues but is also a comedy. Well that was easier for MASH because it was a half hour sitcom with a backdrop of the Korean War. Comedy can be found in pain, and all that. But for The Orville, their version of the Korean War backdrop is the topes of 90s Trek.... Not sure this can work in the long run.             

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It's not reviewing well on Rotten Tomatoes, that much is certain. It has a 17% tomato meter rating, which is pretty bad. I wonder how Discovery will fare with them.

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1 hour ago, Rusty0918 said:

It's not reviewing well on Rotten Tomatoes, that much is certain. It has a 17% tomato meter rating, which is pretty bad. I wonder how Discovery will fare with them.

What I find interesting is that, also on RT 91% of those that saw it liked it and the TVGuide comment section is similar.

Take it for what it's worth.

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9 hours ago, prometheus59650 said:

What I find interesting is that, also on RT 91% of those that saw it liked it and the TVGuide comment section is similar.

Take it for what it's worth.

I’m also struggling to bear in mind that despite my initial disappointment, it IS a first episode.   Even ST has had a few unremarkable premiere episodes (“Man Trap” “Encounter at...”).  I don’t know if Orville will have the chance to improve, given the competitiveness of network TV, but I’d like to see it given a big course correction soon.   Either punch up the humor or get rid of it altogether and make it a straight scifi show; either would be an improvement over Sunday’s offering. 

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44 minutes ago, Sehlat Vie said:

I’m also struggling to bear in mind that despite my initial disappointment, it IS a first episode.   Even ST has had a few unremarkable premiere episodes (“Man Trap” “Encounter at...”).  I don’t know if Orville will have the chance to improve, given the competitiveness of network TV, but I’d like to see it given a big course correction soon.   Either punch up the humor or get rid of it altogether and make it a straight scifi show; either would be an improvement over Sunday’s offering. 

Very much agree that that's the show's single biggest issue: it needs to pick a side of the road. 

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50 minutes ago, Sehlat Vie said:

Kinda thinking football helped...?

That and the simple fact that there's nothing else new on network right now. It moves to Thursdays in two weeks and then has to compete.

We'll see then, but I doubt it'll ever see the twos again in any case.

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8 hours ago, prometheus59650 said:

That and the simple fact that there's nothing else new on network right now. It moves to Thursdays in two weeks and then has to compete.

We'll see then, but I doubt it'll ever see the twos again in any case.

If it moves to Thursdays, it’s dead on arrival. 

"Big Bang Theory”’s audience is “Orville”’s target audience...

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2 hours ago, Sehlat Vie said:

If it moves to Thursdays, it’s dead on arrival. 

"Big Bang Theory”’s audience is “Orville”’s target audience...

Pretty much. BBT is still pulling numbers in the high twos. If Orville can sustain in the 1.2-4 range weekly it's probably all right, but between BBT and the likes of The Voice Thursday is hugely competitive.

I just don't see it.

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I liked th Orville... Very much...

To someone younger like me, it's really great to be able to watcha show that's positive and not the usual dark gritty stuff we have on TV these days. To me the Orville is my safe spot, something that's new,  aimed at an audience of which I'm part of, and not depressive ( a REALLY RARE set of qualities ).

I'll take it. Don't give a damn about the jokes. Some ware good, some ware bad, all in all I still loved it for the reasons I listed.

I do wish they had gone with a bit more Galaxy Quest style humor though.

Oh and yes, I haven't been assimilated yet, just been very busy with tailor stuff haha

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3 hours ago, Garak the spy said:

I liked th Orville... Very much...

To someone younger like me, it's really great to be able to watcha show that's positive and not the usual dark gritty stuff we have on TV these days. To me the Orville is my safe spot, something that's new,  aimed at an audience of which I'm part of, and not depressive ( a REALLY RARE set of qualities ).

I'll take it. Don't give a damn about the jokes. Some ware good, some ware bad, all in all I still loved it for the reasons I listed.

I do wish they had gone with a bit more Galaxy Quest style humor though.

Oh and yes, I haven't been assimilated yet, just been very busy with tailor stuff haha

Hey Garak!

Welcome back.  I was worried that the Obsidian Order got you. :P

Nice to ‘see’ you again.   And where’s my jacket?  :laugh:

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2 hours ago, Sehlat Vie said:

And where’s my jacket?  :laugh:

Where's your ticket? I don't see you're ticket.

How's he supposed to find it without the ticket?

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I chuckled about the 'soda on the bridge' joke, I drink coke when I work too. Other than that, most of the jokes didn't really land. I'll give it a shot if it's committed to being a sincere show. If it tries to be sincere one moment then tries to be an episode of Family Guy the next moment, it gets pretty jarring and pulls me out of the experience. I found myself trying to take the show seriously, but then it pulls me back out with what amounts to a cut-away gag. If they are trying to be Galaxy Quest, that's fine too, but stick to comedy then and don't take the villains seriously. 

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