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2 hours ago, John32070 said:

Yes, good episode. Apparently the Orville is like the Enterprise-D where you can bring your kids and husbands/wives along. And yes, the humor being toned down was nice, I even got a chuckle at the damage report of someone spilling soy sauce on themselves. 

Speaking of damage reports, how is it on these shows they get damage reports from every deck like 5 seconds after whatever would cause the damage? 

I would imagine that the computers are sufficiently tied into the ship's systems and advanced that the computer essentially knows what's broken and how without even being asked. 

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7 hours ago, prometheus59650 said:

I would imagine that the computers are sufficiently tied into the ship's systems and advanced that the computer essentially knows what's broken and how without even being asked. 

Kind of like how high-end auto mechanics can tie cars into their diagnostic computers to let the vehicle tell them where it hurts.

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7 hours ago, prometheus59650 said:

I would imagine that the computers are sufficiently tied into the ship's systems and advanced that the computer essentially knows what's broken and how without even being asked. 

That was my thinking too, but the way it's always presented (like on TOS) it's made to sound like the crew is calling in.

I was watching the Immunity Syndrome last week and right after the ship hits the outer boundary that makes everyone on the bridge a little dizzy, it's like 10 seconds later we see everyone lined up at Sickbay for stimulant injections. I just thought that was rather quick. How would McCoy even be able to diagnose that in that short of time? 

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3 hours ago, John32070 said:

That was my thinking too, but the way it's always presented (like on TOS) it's made to sound like the crew is calling in.

I was watching the Immunity Syndrome last week and right after the ship hits the outer boundary that makes everyone on the bridge a little dizzy, it's like 10 seconds later we see everyone lined up at Sickbay for stimulant injections. I just thought that was rather quick. How would McCoy even be able to diagnose that in that short of time? 

Perhaps back then it was just procedure to confirm the reports orally to the bridge.

And, as for TIS, I'm not sure McCoy diagnosed anything at this point. You go into this unknown thing only to have 2/3 of the crew buckle. That's as big a danger as whatever you're in because a functioning ship requires a functioning crew, so you start handing out stimulants to address the immediate, dangerous symptom before you worry about the cause.

I mean, when you collapse in the ER, SOMETHING caused the cardiac arrest, but no one's focused on blood draws at that point.

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Sucker that I am for Data-a-likes, I really enjoyed the last ep with Isaac and Penny Johnson’s Doctor Finn. There wasn’t an original thing about it, but it worked and felt like a pretty satisfying 45 minutes of SF drama where you became invested in the characters’ fates. When you get ‘saved’ by Brian Thompson you know you’re in trouble. Question - did Dr. Finn shoot him dead when she escaped? Slight redaction of the Hippocratic oath there, but I get that she was desperate and in mid-escape. Her character is one of the best things about this show; please give her more. But maybe less of the annoying brats, vital though they were to this ep’s plot.

Notably, the inclusion of two child characters resulted in less infantile humor throughout. 

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2 hours ago, Robin Bland said:

Sucker that I am for Data-a-likes, I really enjoyed the last ep with Isaac and Penny Johnson’s Doctor Finn. There wasn’t an original thing about it, but it worked and felt like a pretty satisfying 45 minutes of SF drama where you became invested in the characters’ fates. When you get ‘saved’ by Brian Thompson you know you’re in trouble. Question - did Dr. Finn shoot him dead when she escaped? Slight redaction of the Hippocratic oath there, but I get that she was desperate and in mid-escape. Her character is one of the best things about this show; please give her more. But maybe less of the annoying brats, vital though they were to this ep’s plot.

Notably, the inclusion of two child characters resulted in less infantile humor throughout. 

^
This.

1 hour ago, prometheus59650 said:

I don't think the Hippocratic Oath does, or really should preclude self-defense.

^ And I’m pretty sure about this; my wife’s cousin is a doctor and it’s safe to say she’d probably do the same as Dr. Finn.

Sidenote:  Penny Johnson’s Dr. Finn is the kind of single mom I soooo very much wish that TNG’s Crusher had been.

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27 minutes ago, Sehlat Vie said:

^
This.

^ And I’m pretty sure about this; my wife’s cousin is a doctor and it’s safe to say she’d probably do the same as Dr. Finn.

Sidenote:  Penny Johnson’s Dr. Finn is the kind of single mom I soooo very much wish that TNG’s Crusher had been.

Indeed. I mean, as I always understood the Oath was that you don't turn away someone in need and you don't knowingly make someone worse. If you have to kill someone trying to kill you, then, yeah. You haven't signed up to be a pacifist.

As for Crusher, I always thought her biggest problem was that she just had these 8 foot-thick blinders on her when it came to that kid. I mean, you look at "The First Duty," and the first thing she goes to is, "The records were altered." I dunno...if it were me, given the records, and the fact that young Wesley seems to not want to look at me, and certainly doesn't want me to go to bat for him; all these things would suggest to me that I should ask him why he lied about their formation.

But that's just me. 

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54 minutes ago, Sehlat Vie said:

^
This.

^ And I’m pretty sure about this; my wife’s cousin is a doctor and it’s safe to say she’d probably do the same as Dr. Finn.

My comment about the Hippocratic Oath was more amused than a genuine criticism. I got more of a laugh out of that than any of the so-called scripted humor.

54 minutes ago, Sehlat Vie said:

Sidenote:  Penny Johnson’s Dr. Finn is the kind of single mom I soooo very much wish that TNG’s Crusher had been.

Oh, yeah. Some really good acting from Johnson - you really felt Finn's determination to get back to her kids.

 

12 minutes ago, prometheus59650 said:

Indeed. I mean, as I always understood the Oath was that you don't turn away someone in need and you don't knowingly make someone worse. If you have to kill someone trying to kill you, then, yeah. You haven't signed up to be a pacifist.

As for Crusher, I always thought her biggest problem was that she just had these 8 foot-thick blinders on her when it came to that kid. I mean, you look at "The First Duty," and the first thing she goes to is, "The records were altered." I dunno...if it were me, given the records, and the fact that young Wesley seems to not want to look at me, and certainly doesn't want me to go to bat for him; all these things would suggest to me that I should ask him why he lied about their formation.

But that's just me. 

Nah, you're not alone there!

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3 hours ago, John32070 said:

I thought it was really bad of her trying to save Hugh. 

"Saving Hugh" in "I, Borg" is really, probably the most ridiculous, indefensible decision in 50 years of the show.

Billions...tens of billions assimilated and dead since. Whole civilizations obliterated...just so the crews feels are preserved.

That's really one instance where Lorca should have been running the show.

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Yes. This was a case of TNGs principles getting in it's own way. It goes against what Picard said to the Borg before his assimilation when he said he/we would rather die than succumb to them, so by what they eventually did with Hugh was to say we'd rather die as a people than destroy an evil who are not really people themselves.  Anyone killed by the Borg after this is on Picard's hands because the one person in the Federation who knew better than anyone what could be coming wouldn't stop it once and for all because he felt sorry for one drone.

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14 minutes ago, John32070 said:

Yes. This was a case of TNGs principles getting in it's own way. It goes against what Picard said to the Borg before his assimilation when he said he/we would rather die than succumb to them, so by what they eventually did with Hugh was to say we'd rather die as a people than destroy an evil who are not really people themselves.  Anyone killed by the Borg after this is on Picard's hands because the one person in the Federation who knew better than anyone what could be coming wouldn't stop it once and for all because he felt sorry for one drone.

It might not have worked, but not trying is unconscionable. Picard knew what they were and Picard should have known that leaving Hugh with his personality as some sort of weapon against them is ludicrous. Picard surely fought. He swore to "resist with his last ounce of strength." Fat lot of good HIS individuality did him. The Borg can't even exist as they do without suppressing individuality.

I can't even watch that episode anymore.

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It emasculated the Borg and it emasculated Picard. Guinan didn’t exactly come out of it smelling of roses, either.

I, Borg is best ignored. As is the sleep-inducing Descent two-parter. 

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11 minutes ago, Robin Bland said:

It emasculated the Borg and it emasculated Picard. Guinan didn’t exactly come out of it smelling of roses, either.

I, Borg is best ignored. As is the sleep-inducing Descent two-parter. 

Indeed, I haven't seen "Descent" in years. I like the Data/ Geordi stuff and I like Picard getting his much deserved "What the hell was going on in your head?" from Nechayev, but none of that's worth enduring the rest of it. 

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1 hour ago, Mutai Sho-Rin said:

Ummmm - Orville, anyone???

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Taking my own slice of the blame for that one... :P


And yes, Orville... this Thursday.   I gotta say, this show’s stock (overall) is rising. 

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11 hours ago, prometheus59650 said:

Nice episode.

Interesting A and B stories. Natural, unforced humor.

More of this would be dandy.

Missed it last night, but I plan to watch it today.

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6 hours ago, Sehlat Vie said:

Very much nailed it! Especially the situ regarding the characters. I think Yaphit is actually the least irritating of the four that don’t really work, as usual you’re right on point about how they could use him. That’s something they should definitely explore in the second season. Let’s hope they’re actually brave enough to do a real shake-up and rid the show of aspects that don’t work, especially the witless one-liners. What’s encouraging is that The Orville has got better and better the more it has focused on its characters and SF themes - which is exactly what I hoped for in my first post on this thread.

Cupid’s Dagger was good, and genuinely funny (not the usual painful humor we’re subjected to on this show) but I’d have to nominate the episode Firestorm as one of my faves so far. While it wasn’t exactly deeply original, it felt like there were actual stakes for the lead character, and things could go either way. I really felt fully invested in Alara’s plight, and the twist has a nice emotional value to it that carries it through to a satisfying conclusion. Halston Sage is tremendous - she’s been good from the outset, but she really shines in this one. There was some nifty direction too that heightened the overall sense of mystery and danger. Dr. Finn and Isaac turning bad was genuinely unsettling! Using two of the most sympathetic and successful characters in this way against Alara was a great idea.

But yes, please do blow Malloy and LaMarr out of an air lock ASAP. 

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24 minutes ago, Robin Bland said:

Very much nailed it! Especially the situ regarding the characters. I think Yaphit is actually the least irritating of the four that don’t really work, as usual you’re right on point about how they could use him. That’s something they should definitely explore in the second season. Let’s hope they’re actually brave enough to do a real shake-up and rid the show of aspects that don’t work, especially the witless one-liners. What’s encouraging is that The Orville has got better and better the more it has focused on its characters and SF themes - which is exactly what I hoped for in my first post on this thread.

Cupid’s Dagger was good, and genuinely funny (not the usual painful humor we’re subjected to on this show) but I’d have to nominate the episode Firestorm as one of my faves so far. While it wasn’t exactly deeply original, it felt like there were actual stakes for the lead character, and things could go either way. I really felt fully invested in Alara’s plight, and the twist has a nice emotional value to it that carries it through to a satisfying conclusion. Halston Sage is tremendous - she’s been good from the outset, but she really shines in this one. There was some nifty direction too that heightened the overall sense of mystery and danger. Dr. Finn and Isaac turning bad was genuinely unsettling! Using two of the most sympathetic and successful characters in this way against Alara was a great idea.

But yes, please do blow Malloy and LaMarr out of an air lock ASAP. 

While I really hope to see Malloy and LaMarr do a “Shuttlepod One” together (but with a very different outcome), I am pleasantly surprised with Halston Sage’ Alara.  Watching the pilot, I was worried her character was going to be an underused, one-trick pony.   How wrong I was.   Both the writing and the actress have seriously stepped up. 

Yaphit...such a waste of protoplasm.   Great opportunity though.   Maybe he could be killed off and another member of his species (a more interesting member) takes his place (?).

Dr. Finn is another character whose stock is rapidly rising; loved her ‘evil’ self in “Firestorm.”  

This series has real promise to be something much greater than planned if its powers-that-be could only take it a little more seriously (looking at YOU, Seth McFarlane).   It kinda reminds me of how Doctor Who began life as nothing more than a quasi-educational children’s show; now it’s a multigenerational science fiction-fantasy treasure.  

I’m not saying Orville could go on the exact same path as DW, but at the very least it could be something with a little heft to it.

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The last two episodes, Firestorm and New Dimensions were both solid sci-fi and excellent character development.  If the show continues to show this kind of growth and complexity, I’ll certainly be a fan. 

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I liked Firestorm very much, and I just saw “New Dimensions” late last night.  

ND was a solid science fiction episode; loved the idea of the two-dimensional universe (kinda TRON-ish).   That was some groovy, trippy, 2001-stuff.   In that regard, Orville continues to surprise me week-after-week.  Consider me a fan.

The episode also kinda riffed off DS9’s “Dr. Bashir, I Presume...” with a very unbelievable plot about the seemingly dimwitted LeMarr masking a very high intelligence.  Seriously, this was the same guy who mindlessly dry-humped a statue in “Majority Rule" and horribly screwed up the subsequent apology tour?   I mean, his life was on the line, and he still lacked the basic skills to be careful on an away team or to feign an apology?  I had a really tough time reconciling last night’s sudden ‘genius LeMarr’ with the moronic statue humper who couldn’t even apologize correctly.

I’d buy it it were another character (except Malloy) like Alara, Finn (one of Finn’s sons?) or even Yaphit hiding a super-intellect, but LeMarr?  That was a stretch...

 

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