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Moonraker: the roller coaster ride

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16 hours ago, prometheus59650 said:

Hopefully it comes with Shirley Bassey’s title song playing throughout the ride...:thumbup:

I may not hold “Moonraker” in high regard these days, but it WAS my first ever cinematic exposure to the world of James Bond.   And while I came to later love the Connery movies a lot more?  There was enough of an entertaining ‘hook' with “Moonraker” to keep me going with the franchise.   And the Derek Meddings’ FX work is still pretty damn good, for the most part.

But Shirley Bassey’s title song does, and will always, hold up for the ages.  

It’s still one of my favorite Bond title songs... :inlove:

 

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I actually don't think Moonraker's THAT bad. It's pretty cheesy, but I wouldn't call it the worst Bond either. Timothy Dalton's films, while probably objectively better on most counts, just never clicked with me.

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I'm very opposite there...I have always fet the Dalton films are sorey underrated. Moonraker on the other hand...seems appropriatey rated. 

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42 minutes ago, kenman said:

I'm very opposite there...I have always fet the Dalton films are sorey underrated. Moonraker on the other hand...seems appropriatey rated. 

As I said, they probably are "better" in a lot of respects, but this is where objective meets subjective. Dalton's Bond lacked some of the charm I think goes with the character and neither of them really hit the right note with me. Maybe I'll rewatch them at some point since I have all the blus for the sake of completism.

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12 minutes ago, prometheus59650 said:

As I said, they probably are "better" in a lot of respects, but this is where objective meets subjective. Dalton's Bond lacked some of the charm I think goes with the character and neither of them really hit the right note with me. Maybe I'll rewatch them at some point since I have all the blus for the sake of completism.

A lot of the things that Craig did with the role that he gets such heaps of praise for, I feel Dalton did first, and he was criticized for it more often than not.  Just an oddity.  But I would rank his first outing among my favorites of all of Bond.  His second one, while a bit flawed as a Bond movie, is a pretty good 80s action movie. 

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7 minutes ago, kenman said:

His second one, while a bit flawed as a Bond movie

Yeah, I really didn't like Licence to Kill at all and that's pretty much the reason why: it feels like a generic 80s action flick and very little like Bond.

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"Moonraker" was well over the top. As a naive 13 year old I liked it, but looking back at it - I wonder what the heck I was thinking. Originally this movie wasn't supposed to be made - they were originally going to go with "For Your Eyes Only" after "The Spy Who Loved Me" (they mention this at the end credits) - however, the success of Star Wars made them re-consider and take a tangent.

They reduced Jaws to comic relief in this one pretty much (and gave him his own girl). There are a lot of other weak points.

As with the Dalton movies - I agree that they *ARE* very under-rated. In my opinion, Timothy Dalton was the best Bond, and his style would have fit perfectly with post "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" Bond - in the novels, after OHMSS - he becomes a darker, less forgiving Bond, which is what Dalton brought (it's sort of ironic that what quite a few consider to be the best Bond movie has the least-liked Bond - although Lazenby does have his supporters).

 

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8 hours ago, Sehlat Vie said:

I may not hold “Moonraker” in high regard these days, but it WAS my first ever cinematic exposure to the world of James Bond.   And while I came to later love the Connery movies a lot more?  There was enough of an entertaining ‘hook' with “Moonraker” to keep me going with the franchise.   And the Derek Meddings’ FX work is still pretty damn good, for the most part.

Same here. I had seen the others on tv so this was my first big screen 007 adventure. Understanding the context of the time with Star Wars and other scifi movies(Close Encounters), Moonraker was attractive to kids although the majority of the movie doesn't happen in space. I'd say it is that last act which weakens the movie. 

Roger Moore's Bond was a lot more tongue in cheek than his predecessors or successors for that matter. His character didn't need any modification to be in the Cannonball movie. So I had no problem with the cheesy humour. It's all throughout his Bond movies. 

I liked Jaws and I liked that he turned good. It was a good moment for a beloved character. I was shocked when he spoke. It was a great moment in Bond films not involving the main character. 

As for the link, yeah, wow. That's a lot of work. Missing however is the downhill racing ambulance gurney. THAT is roller coaster material gold. 

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I believe Moonraker was my first experience with Bond. I still remember the scene where he and the girl are put under the shuttle launch pad to get rid of them. I haven't seen it for a spell, but I don't have much problem with it.

Moore is still my favorite Bond. I know Connery had wit but Moore's humor was just the right touch. I think part of the backlash against Dalton was that they went from a Bond with a quirky sense of humor to someone with very little. 

As to why Dalton's films didn't do all that well I think started with Moore's last, A View to a Kill. They aren't bad Bond films, but they somehow lost the feel that the first 20 years worth had. In all honesty it might have been better had they rested the series after Moore's last.

I rewatched Dalton's two films a few years ago and found them more enjoyable than I first did, but as I said they don't have the same feel as Connery/Lazenby/early Moore had. I have to confess when I watched Goldeneye, even being surprised by Brosnan's take I kept thinking of how Dalton would have done in it and might have been able to redeem himself.

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On 7/29/2017 at 8:27 PM, John32070 said:

I believe Moonraker was my first experience with Bond. I still remember the scene where he and the girl are put under the shuttle launch pad to get rid of them. I haven't seen it for a spell, but I don't have much problem with it.

Moore is still my favorite Bond. I know Connery had wit but Moore's humor was just the right touch. I think part of the backlash against Dalton was that they went from a Bond with a quirky sense of humor to someone with very little. 

As to why Dalton's films didn't do all that well I think started with Moore's last, A View to a Kill. They aren't bad Bond films, but they somehow lost the feel that the first 20 years worth had. In all honesty it might have been better had they rested the series after Moore's last.

I rewatched Dalton's two films a few years ago and found them more enjoyable than I first did, but as I said they don't have the same feel as Connery/Lazenby/early Moore had. I have to confess when I watched Goldeneye, even being surprised by Brosnan's take I kept thinking of how Dalton would have done in it and might have been able to redeem himself.

Well they had to update Bond for the times. As with why they didn't do so hot - well they were coming off of "A View to a Kill," which was ghastly by the way, and often ranked in the basement with "Moonraker," etc.

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4 hours ago, Rusty0918 said:

Well they had to update Bond for the times. As with why they didn't do so hot - well they were coming off of "A View to a Kill," which was ghastly by the way, and often ranked in the basement with "Moonraker," etc.

IIRC, “A View to a Kill” was two Bonds later (Roger Moore’s last) in 1985. 

“Moonraker” came out in 1979 and was hot on the heels of the Star Wars craze of the late ‘70s, where almost every big franchise was trying to chase Star Wars’ tail for box office.  The previous Bond movie was “The Spy Who Loved Me” which has largely the same overall story as “Moonraker” (megalomaniac has secret base; plans to wipe out humanity for his own vision of eugenics, etc).   The next movie after “Spy Who...” was supposed to be “For Your Eyes Only,” but “Moonraker” got rushed into development to cash in on that space fantasy mojo so popular at the time.  

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3 hours ago, Sehlat Vie said:

IIRC, “A View to a Kill” was two Bonds later (Roger Moore’s last) in 1985. 

“Moonraker” came out in 1979 and was hot on the heels of the Star Wars craze of the late ‘70s, where almost every big franchise was trying to chase Star Wars’ tail for box office.  The previous Bond movie was “The Spy Who Loved Me” which has largely the same overall story as “Moonraker” (megalomaniac has secret base; plans to wipe out humanity for his own vision of eugenics, etc).   The next movie after “Spy Who...” was supposed to be “For Your Eyes Only,” but “Moonraker” got rushed into development to cash in on that space fantasy mojo so popular at the time.  

I mentioned that in a previous post - that "For Your Eyes Only" was supposed to be the successor but the "Star Wars" craze drew them to other influences. It was interesting seeing space shuttles in that movie though working (well the Space Shuttle Enterprise came out around that same time) - though we wouldn't see 'em in action until 1981 with the Space Shuttle Columbia.

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55 minutes ago, Rusty0918 said:

I mentioned that in a previous post - that "For Your Eyes Only" was supposed to be the successor but the "Star Wars" craze drew them to other influences. It was interesting seeing space shuttles in that movie though working (well the Space Shuttle Enterprise came out around that same time) - though we wouldn't see 'em in action until 1981 with the Space Shuttle Columbia.

Ah, my mistake.

And yes, it’s too bad the real shuttle program never quite had the number of flights or construction capacities we saw in “Moonraker”... oh well, another future that never was.

 

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Funny, the original "Moonraker" novel was nothing at all like the movie version (then again, most movie versions weren't true to the novels anyways - with the exception of OHMSS).

I do think they should have chosen a more reputable Bond movie for a ride - again - "Moonraker" stank as a Bond movie, and in my opinion it should never have been made.

To be fair, there were only two of Roger Moore's Bond movies that are really worth watching - "The Spy Who Loved Me" and "For Your Eyes Only." I do enjoy "Live and Let Die" but I have to admit it's *EXTREMELY* racist. "Man With The Golden Gun?" - Meh. "Octopussy" - Bond screaming like tarzan and being a clown? And "A View to a Kill" - Christopher Walken cannot dampen the pain on this one - this was dreadful.

It's a shame about Dalton, really. He was the best Bond in my opinion - and from what I know, he definitely was what I'd picture him after the OHMSS novel.

Other rides that might have worked - "Goldfinger" comes into mind (lasers, maybe going through a reproduction of Fort Knox), among others.

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10 hours ago, Rusty0918 said:

Well they had to update Bond for the times. As with why they didn't do so hot - well they were coming off of "A View to a Kill," which was ghastly by the way, and often ranked in the basement with "Moonraker," etc.

I don't want to sound ageist even though I'm going to, but he was clearly too old at this point.

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1 hour ago, prometheus59650 said:

I don't want to sound ageist even though I'm going to, but he was clearly too old at this point.

Yeah he was. He was 57 when he did "A View to a Kill" - I think he should have quit a bit earlier.

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4 hours ago, Rusty0918 said:

Yeah he was. He was 57 when he did "A View to a Kill" - I think he should have quit a bit earlier.

I remember there was a rumor that in a View to a Kill he had a stand-in for shots of him walking away from camera because it was deemed "taxing" for him or something. If that's true I'm shocked he could have done the Eiffel Tower chase/shootout. 

About the neatest thing about that film (aside from the awesome title song by Duran Duran) was it had Patrick MacNee in it. Too bad it couldn't have been as Steed. That would have been something.

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36 minutes ago, John32070 said:

Too bad it couldn't have been as Steed. That would have been something.

That would have rocked.

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Well, the song from Duran Duran was good, and I know that Patrick MacNee was in it as an ill-fated chauffeur for Bond. It's a shame though, the rest of that movie just - SUCKED. Tanya Roberts was horrible - ugh (she was nominated for a Razzie for Worst Actress for that movie). I haven't seen it all the way through in two decades. On one site, I even recommended that the movie (and "Moonraker") deserve the "Mystery Science Theater 3000" treatment - they both qualify.

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30 minutes ago, prometheus59650 said:

Tanya Roberts was never an actress for the ages, but she was super bad there.

True....but Bond girls are hardly there for their acting abilities. 'Dr' Christmas Jones anyone?

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2 minutes ago, Nombrecomun said:

True....but Bond girls are hardly there for their acting abilities. 'Dr' Christmas Jones anyone?

There have been a few that could hold a scene, but they are, for the most part, there to be...umm...slept with.

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Well, true. In the novels they were often considered to be your quitessential bimbos, at least that's the impression that my mom told me. And yes, Dr. Christmas Jones played by Denise Richards is definitely one of the weaker Bond girls, although I consider Tanya Roberts's character in AVTAK to be worse.

I think the decent ones were Honor Blackman's Pussy Galore in "Goldfinger," Diana Rigg's Tracy in "On Her Majesty's Secret Service," Barbara Bach's Major "XXX" Amasova" in "The Spy Who Loved Me," Melania from "For Your Eyes Only," Michelle Yeoh's character in "Tomorrow Never Dies," and finally perhaps Vesper Lynd in the "Casino Royale" reboot.

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1 minute ago, prometheus59650 said:

There have been a few that could hold a scene, but they are, for the most part, there to be...umm...slept with.

Agreed. There are some that have something more to do and when they do develop them, or allow to develop them, then you get something cool. For example, Michelle Yeoh's Colonel Wai Lin, was refreshing. Here's someone we know can hold their own. They could have done a spinoff with her character and it would have sold. She has the chops for it....no pun intended. 

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