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How would you fix Troi?

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8 minutes ago, Mr.Picard said:

 

Counselor Durango happens before she gets the uniform though. ;)

Ah, you're right... I forgot the order of broadcast/production.     * lowers head in shame... * :P

9 minutes ago, Mr.Picard said:

But I agree. Just give her a uniform from the start (Marina Sirtis hated the "cheerleader outfit" from the pilot episode but it was at least a uniform) and hire decent writers who know how to write female characters and things should have a solid basis, at least. The plot problems with the whole "empath on the bridge" idea would probably still have been there but we at least wouldn't have gotten embarrassing moments like the one in "Disaster" when Lieutenant Commander Troi, who sits on the bridge every day, has to be lectured on the simplest ship's proceedings by an ensign and a transporter chief because "we can't give Troi a brain, now can we, here, catsuit lady, just look good over there, will you".

It would've been much more interesting if Troi surprised the rest of the bridge crew in "Disaster" by immediately being up-to-speed on command procedures; they expected her to be a babe-in-the-woods and she turns out to be well versed because, well, she's a lieutenant commander, right?   That's a pretty high rank to achieve without knowing squat from Shinola. 

Then the conflict between her and Ro could've been more about a contest of wills between two equally valid perspectives rather than the Bambi-esque novice versus the hardened Bajoran ensign. 

But nope... they had to make Troi a nightgown-wearing dummy instead.   Such a disservice. 

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10 minutes ago, Sehlat Vie said:

Ah, you're right... I forgot the order of broadcast/production.     * lowers head in shame... * :P

It would've been much more interesting if Troi surprised the rest of the bridge crew in "Disaster" by immediately being up-to-speed on command procedures; they expected her to be a babe-in-the-woods and she turns out to be well versed because, well, she's a lieutenant commander, right?   That's a pretty high rank to achieve without knowing squat from Shinola. 

Then the conflict between her and Ro could've been more about a contest of wills between two equally valid perspectives rather than the Bambi-esque novice versus the hardened Bajoran ensign. 

But nope... they had to make Troi a nightgown-wearing dummy instead.   Such a disservice. 

I'd have written her as competent from the start, then we wouldn't have had this whole issue. I get what the writers were trying to do, they were putting the characters in "unusual situations", but here the "unusual situation" for the woman is "being faced with having to be intelligent and knowledgable and command-ish and not just be pretty and sit around on the bridge like she usually does". It's deeply, deeply sexist. I sometimes really wonder how Marina Sirtis endured this kind of thing. She has my utter respect and absolute admiration for muddling through these kinds of situations.

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3 hours ago, Mr.Picard said:

 

Counselor Durango happens before she gets the uniform though. ;)

But I agree. Just give her a uniform from the start (Marina Sirtis hated the "cheerleader outfit" from the pilot episode but it was at least a uniform) and hire decent writers who know how to write female characters and things should have a solid basis, at least. The plot problems with the whole "empath on the bridge" idea would probably still have been there but we at least wouldn't have gotten embarrassing moments like the one in "Disaster" when Lieutenant Commander Troi, who sits on the bridge every day, has to be lectured on the simplest ship's proceedings by an ensign and a transporter chief because "we can't give Troi a brain, now can we, here, catsuit lady, just look good over there, will you".

I don't have a problem with her not knowing the difference between a quantum filament and a cosmic string, as not only is that a bit esoteric in the physics department, it really isn't relevant to the situation.

What makes my skin crawl in aggravation is that she has no clue that the magnetic fields the core produces to keep the matter and antimatter from mixing uncontrollably are literally the only thing that keep the ship from going supernova from one millisecond to the next. That's 24th century elementary school basic.

Never mind that she's actually in the room in "Contagion" where LaForge and Data explained that that's exactly what happened to the Yamato.

But, hey, they need an idiot as a vehicle to explain the situation to the audience.

They could simply have her repeat what she thought she knew and Ro and O'Brien nod, but they need to explain it to the ditzy little counselor to show her out of her element.

Where, if you take the character and her nature seriously, you don't display her indecision over what to do by showing that every little thing has to be mansplained to her. Her problem comes with her empathy. She knows what will happen from the beginning, but, not only does she feel for all those people, she FEELS them and knows that she's leaving them to die and isn't sure she can. That while she plays that side and contrasts it against the more rational Ro and O'Brien, with him a little conflicted, too because Keiko.

But she's just such an idiot and unqualified for what's asked of her in this episode that in no rational organization would she ever be in a position to command. The final decision would have gone to even the court-martialed and disgraced Bajoran ensign before Troi.

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4 hours ago, Mr.Picard said:

I'd have written her as competent from the start, then we wouldn't have had this whole issue. I get what the writers were trying to do, they were putting the characters in "unusual situations", but here the "unusual situation" for the woman is "being faced with having to be intelligent and knowledgable and command-ish and not just be pretty and sit around on the bridge like she usually does". It's deeply, deeply sexist. I sometimes really wonder how Marina Sirtis endured this kind of thing. She has my utter respect and absolute admiration for muddling through these kinds of situations.

TOS' "Immunity Syndrome" established that Dr. McCoy, though a CMO, could still pilot a shuttlecraft if needed (probably not well, but enough to get from point A-B).  ST09 also showed him taking the helm during the Kobayashi Maru simulation.  He even helped Spock perform "surgery on a torpedo" (god knows why) in STVI.   Contrary to his famous "I'm a doctor, not a ---" line, he can, in a pinch, wear many hats.

I know Troi is a ship's counselor, but she is on the command bridge much of the time; you'd think she'd know something about the ship's functions and maybe some basic troubleshooting.   

And yes, I'm a big fan of Sirtis' as well; and like her, I think the character's potential was just being realized in those final couple of seasons.   Sirtis is also a delightful lady in person too; I've met her once and seen her onstage and she often leaves the crowd in stitches.   

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