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Alien Covenant

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2 minutes ago, Robin Bland said:

I also agree that Ward's angle would've been a non-starter... it's interesting to look back upon now, but it seems that it is the development of this film that skewed the direction of the franchise. Ward is a very arty, very creative visualist, but he's more of a poet than the franchise needed at this point. Producers Giler and Hill had admirable instincts, but I think they were totally wrong to seek his services. Clearly, they realized that too, but then used the basic shape of his story to make the Alien 3 we got, because the studio wanted a film, and... just, no. Yes, it was a missed opportunity. For all the reasons above though, and probably many more to do with David Fincher, I still don't think Alien 3 is a disaster. It's an oddball, and a signpost that'll stand forever for a road not taken.

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When I first heard about Ward's weird little monks-on-the-wood-planet story, I was thinking,"This would make an intriguing fantasy story, maybe something like the oddball "City of Ember" or something like that ... but not an ALIEN movie."   

5 minutes ago, Robin Bland said:

Which brings us to Prometheus and Covenant. (I won't bother going into the buck-making exercise that are the AvP messes.) Prometheus was supposed to restore the grandeur and mystery, and we got High School Idiots in Space with beautiful production design. Covenant looks like more of the same; a thin greatest hits mash-up. I'll give Covenant the benefit of the doubt, as I haven't seen it yet, but the likelihood of it usurping Alien 3 as the third-best film in the franchise looks very unlikely from the trailers. Alien 3 managed the unlikely feat (just about) of being a silk purse made from a sow's ear - there were a lot of good intentions there. I know Covenant will look pretty, but the idea that it somehow restores an overall direction to the franchise is too much to hope for.  My expectations are incredibly low, so maybe I'll enjoy it more than I think. We'll see. 

^ Mine too.

At this point, it could just be a rehash of ALIEN and I'd think, "At least it wasn't a grand-scale clusterf--k like 'Prometheus'." :laugh:

Prometheus had such lofty ambition; and then cast it with characters that were as dumb as a sack of rocks.   They made "Friday the 13th" movie-character mistakes.  No quarantines, taking off helmets within an alien biosphere, etc. etc.   They might as well had been volunteer counselors from Camp Crystal Lake rather than the best and brightest of the scientific community (!).    Prometheus was also killed largely by the weight of its own ambitions.   It was (at its heart) a monster movie... that thought it was Carl Sagan's COSMOS.  

An odd duck...

11 minutes ago, Robin Bland said:

Oh, and "Quadrilogy" ...WTf#c*ittyF? What marketing idiot approved that non-word? I bought the blu-ray edition and stowed that box set somewhere, never to be seen again. Quartet, you morons. QUARTET. Look it up.  I don't mind the invention of new words, but make it sound elegant, and don't forgo a perfectly good one if it already exists. 

Right??  I know... in space no one can hear your eyes rolling. 

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ALIEN COVENANT: Fox Home Entertainment And Walmart Team Up For A New Blu-Ray Alien Anthology Release.
 
Good night, boa noite !
 
Fox and Walmart have something special in store for the fans of the Alien Franchise
 

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1 hour ago, GustavoLeao said:
ALIEN COVENANT: Fox Home Entertainment And Walmart Team Up For A New Blu-Ray Alien Anthology Release.
 
Good night, boa noite !
 
Fox and Walmart have something special in store for the fans of the Alien Franchise
 

I already have a great set of the first four movies with more features than I have time in this life to ever get through completely. 

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So, you fork out for a set you already have, and you get some extra postcards and $7.50 off the price of your ticket to Covenant...?! No thanks. 

Seriously... is this news? :rolleyes:

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1 hour ago, Robin Bland said:

So, you fork out for a set you already have, and you get some extra postcards and $7.50 off the price of your ticket to Covenant...?! No thanks. 

Seriously... is this news? :rolleyes:

I still have my perfectly good Quartet set---er, I mean, "Quadrilogy" set (ugh... I hate having to type that non-word  :glare:), and it looks like it has pretty much everything that this set has... minus some worthless postcards (not like I'm visiting LV-426 anytime soon, right??).

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33 minutes ago, Sehlat Vie said:

I still have my perfectly good Quartet set---er, I mean, "Quadrilogy" set (ugh... I hate having to type that non-word  :glare:), and it looks like it has pretty much everything that this set has... minus some worthless postcards (not like I'm visiting LV-426 anytime soon, right??).

Pretty nice that for the blu-ray they upgraded to "anthology."

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6 hours ago, kenman said:

Pretty nice that for the blu-ray they upgraded to "anthology."

Almost worth the price just to not have to look at "Quadrilogy" each time I pop in an ALIEN movie...:laugh:

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They're almost as bad as the Trek franchise is with its habit of re-releasing the same things in shiny new packages. lol

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3 hours ago, Mr.Picard said:

They're almost as bad as the Trek franchise is with its habit of re-releasing the same things in shiny new packages. lol

At least ST didn't call their movies a Thirteenilogy. :laugh:

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17 minutes ago, Sehlat Vie said:

At least ST didn't call their movies a Thirteenilogy. :laugh:

Don't give them ideas! :P

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1 hour ago, Mr.Picard said:

Don't give them ideas! :P

If they do, we'll know where they got it from... I'll have my lawyer call theirs at once, of course. :giggle:

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Bah ! Paramount and CBS Home Entertaiment just suck ! How many times they will release the movies with the same extras on DVD or Blu-Ray ??? I have spoken !

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17 minutes ago, Robin Bland said:

Here's some pics they could make into some more postcraps... sorry, postcards...

http://io9.gizmodo.com/these-alien-covenant-photos-reveal-brand-new-horrors-1794507464

And those will comprise yet another set...until the release of ALL the movies.  Showing the pods like that (in the photo via the io9 link) just robs them of any mystery/horror they may have once had.   Now they're little more scary than bad weather.  The ALIEN franchise kind of reminds me of what's happened with the zombie genre; the whole thing has a feeling of 'been there, done that, bought the box set.'  Too bad; those first two movies are still utter cinemagic. 

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12 hours ago, Sehlat Vie said:

And those will comprise yet another set...until the release of ALL the movies.  Showing the pods like that (in the photo via the io9 link) just robs them of any mystery/horror they may have once had.   Now they're little more scary than bad weather.  The ALIEN franchise kind of reminds me of what's happened with the zombie genre; the whole thing has a feeling of 'been there, done that, bought the box set.'  Too bad; those first two movies are still utter cinemagic. 

It's the same thudding "Explain everything" rule that robs a lot of continuing stories of their inherent mystery. It's almost as if big budget cinema, in an effort to build a coherent "Universe," is going around systematically destroying anything that provided a sense of awe and mystery in the first place. 

I deplore this kind of "gap-filling" writing. It's about misappropriated punctuation rather than broad strokes, crossing Ts and dotting Is rather than focusing on the big picture. You absolutely do have to have a sense of detail, but it's like the notes of a song - play it badly and everyone knows what a bum note sounds like.

Bleaaargh.  

Always wonder what Spielberg thinks about this kind of thing, as he was someone who was particularly good at providing that, doing it extremely well and keeping to it. (Indy 4 notwithstanding. I blame that on Lucas.) 

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23 hours ago, GustavoLeao said:

ALIEN: COVENANT - Check Out Some Of The First Reactions To The PROMETHEUS Sequel

The world premiere of Alien: Covenant took place in London last night and we have a handful of reactions from those in attendance. What was the verdict?

They want us to see it, of course, but this one bodes well:

"9GhSf0Rs_bigger.jpgJordan Samuel @JordanESamuel

#AlienCovenant is definitely better than Prometheus, bringing back the needed horror into the franchise. Deadly beautiful and mysterious"

...Still not rushing. 

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17 minutes ago, Robin Bland said:

They want us to see it, of course, but this one bodes well:

"9GhSf0Rs_bigger.jpgJordan Samuel @JordanESamuel

#AlienCovenant is definitely better than Prometheus, bringing back the needed horror into the franchise. Deadly beautiful and mysterious"

...Still not rushing. 

'Definitely better than Prometheus'... like saying stubbing one's toe is preferable to singeing one's hair off in a kitchen fire.   Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

But yes, me being such an ALIEN junkie, they have my $10-$13 anyway.... I have no soul.  :P

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20 minutes ago, Sehlat Vie said:

'Definitely better than Prometheus'... like saying stubbing one's toe is preferable to singeing one's hair off in a kitchen fire.   Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

But yes, me being such an ALIEN junkie, they have my $10-$13 anyway.... I have no soul.  :P

That's the price of actually knowing what you talk about when you passionately bash the movie... :P

42 minutes ago, Robin Bland said:

They want us to see it, of course, but this one bodes well:

"9GhSf0Rs_bigger.jpgJordan Samuel @JordanESamuel

#AlienCovenant is definitely better than Prometheus, bringing back the needed horror into the franchise. Deadly beautiful and mysterious"

...Still not rushing. 

I already liked "Terminator: Genysis", because my expectations were rather low, I did not expect to see anything remotely on the same level as the first two stellar movies, and all the movie had to do was being halfway entertaining and solid technical craftmanship for me to consider it a success. In the end, I felt "Genysis" was at least better than the 3rd and 4th movies.

My expectations of the new "Alien" are similar: Not in a million years do I think this movie could possibly reach the groundbreaking brilliance of "Alien" or "Aliens"... but it doesn't have to. If it's just entertaining, and maybe even a bit better than "Alien 3" or "Resurrection" -- fair enough. Much of the stuff I enjoy watching isn't stellar. Not everything I eat has to be French cuisine... meat with potatoes is good enough most of the time, as long as it isn't burnt or oversalted.

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21 minutes ago, Sim said:

That's the price of actually knowing what you talk about when you passionately bash the movie... :P

I already liked "Terminator: Genysis", because my expectations were rather low, I did not expect to see anything remotely on the same level as the first two stellar movies, and all the movie had to do was being halfway entertaining and solid technical craftmanship for me to consider it a success. In the end, I felt "Genysis" was at least better than the 3rd and 4th movies.

My expectations of the new "Alien" are similar: Not in a million years do I think this movie could possibly reach the groundbreaking brilliance of "Alien" or "Aliens"... but it doesn't have to. If it's just entertaining, and maybe even a bit better than "Alien 3" or "Resurrection" -- fair enough. Much of the stuff I enjoy watching isn't stellar. Not everything I eat has to be French cuisine... meat with potatoes is good enough most of the time, as long as it isn't burnt or oversalted.

^
Yes, but we're paying more these days for meat and potatoes than we did for the filet mignon that was ALIEN and ALIENS... ;)

And settling for lesser and lesser makes the studios content to create more of the same.

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8 minutes ago, Sehlat Vie said:

^
Yes, but we're paying more these days for meat and potatoes than we did for the filet mignon that was ALIEN and ALIENS... ;)

And settling for lesser and lesser makes the studios content to create more of the same.

Yeah, but in case of Terminator and Alien? The first two movies were stellar, respectively, because they were the first of their kind. (And it's not like all the movies back then that cost the same at the theatre were all as good as those ...)

There is just not that much more you can do in these franchises. Really stellar stuff has to be original, rather than the 4th or 5th sequel in a franchise, I guess.

Doesn't mean I don't enjoy well made stuff primarily appealing to nostalgia, like a sequel to franchises that once were groundbreaking. It just means I have no illusions that such a sequel won't be able to create the amazement the originals created 30 years ago. I believe they don't have to, that's not their job.

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5 minutes ago, Sim said:

Yeah, but in case of Terminator and Alien? The first two movies were stellar, respectively, because they were the first of their kind. (And it's not like all the movies back then that cost the same at the theatre were all as good as those ...)

There is just not that much more you can do in these franchises. Really stellar stuff has to be original, rather than the 4th or 5th sequel in a franchise, I guess.

Doesn't mean I don't enjoy well made stuff primarily appealing to nostalgia, like a sequel to franchises that once were groundbreaking. It just means I have no illusions that such a sequel won't be able to create the amazement the originals created 30 years ago. I believe they don't have to, that's not their job.

^
I just don't accept that. 

We've seen sequels that have equalled or even bettered their originals.   It's not impossible; it's only impossible when the 'creative' powers-that-be decide that it is and settle for less.   I'll admit, ALIEN isn't exactly as flexible a concept as say, Star Wars or Doctor Who, but that doesn't mean they have to be content to just leave it at that and bury it in mediocrity. 

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11 minutes ago, Sehlat Vie said:

^
I just don't accept that. 

We've seen sequels that have equalled or even bettered their originals.   It's not impossible; it's only impossible when the 'creative' powers-that-be decide that it is and settle for less.   I'll admit, ALIEN isn't exactly as flexible a concept as say, Star Wars or Doctor Who, but that doesn't mean they have to be content to just leave it at that and bury it in mediocrity. 

From the top of my head, I can't think of any movie franchise that managed to be fresh and groundbreaking after 2 or 3 movies maximum.

Maybe Star Wars Ep. VII to some extent ... but even this movie was not really groundbreaking, but was rather what I tried to say above: It was a technically very well crafted hommage to the original trilogy, that thrived more on nostalgia than new ideas (and benefited a lot from the contrast to the hated prequel movies that preceded it). Say what you will about Star Wars Ep. VII, it was many things, but not exactly "original". And it wouldn't work without SW'77 and TESB as a blueprint that defined the franchise. But that said? It was very good at what it was trying to do, IMO.

All I'm saying is that "Alien Covenent" can do the same at best. And if it's only half as successful at doing that? I'll be satisfied. :)

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1 hour ago, Sehlat Vie said:

^
I just don't accept that. 

We've seen sequels that have equalled or even bettered their originals.   It's not impossible; it's only impossible when the 'creative' powers-that-be decide that it is and settle for less.   I'll admit, ALIEN isn't exactly as flexible a concept as say, Star Wars or Doctor Who, but that doesn't mean they have to be content to just leave it at that and bury it in mediocrity. 

I'm afraid I'm with Sehlat Vie on this, Sim. it is possible to take risks and be daring in storytelling and not just serve up the same old, same old. Or explain every damn thing in a fictional universe that doesn't need explaining. Someone of Scott's clout could do it - and who knows, maybe he has? Maybe Covenant has more food for thought than Prometheus. We'll soon see, I guess. 

It's about seeing new areas of potential in the scenarios that exist, and exploiting and expanding them, not just approaching it with the attitude that you're doing gap-filling fan service. 

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