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Jennifer Lien Arrested Today

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Dang, Jennifer, what did you do? You can't be like Lohan and Snookie and Bieber...but seriously, get some help.

This story is pretty typical of Hollywood young stars who become adults and can't handle it, and have a break with reality. They need to get some help. Having her register is stupid. She was just streaking. It's not like seeing a naked 40 year old woman is going to turn kids into maniacs. That's nuts. Just give her a trip to the funny farm for awhile, or a rehab or something. Clearly she is not all there. (Kids can call up smut on their computer that's a lot worse when nobody is watching).

The nipple slip story was even stupider. Janet Jackson staged it, and on the then Internet, you could see her fully naked for free that very same night. So what? Some groups are too prudish. It's not everyone in the US. Just some small, loud groups, that are all oh no, the kids might seem some boobs. and they get all the coverage (conservative right wing stories aside).

As for Tom Hardy, hopefully he is not making excuses for having an addiction. The movie did not make him that way. He was already there. The movie was merely there as an excuse. He got help I take it, since he is still acting.

That mug shot doesn't even look like Jennifer Lien. What the heck happened? Maybe she is the Evil Kes from Fury?

Yeah, they should not throw the book at her over streaking. That's silly. Having a mental breakdown, well that's something else entirely.

 

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Boobies is one thing but she was showing her rear end too, seems kind of obvious the intent was to shock/offend.

Also, how come regular members can swear now? I thought only mods could do that. :p

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 She was just streaking.

She was having a next level raging fit and took her clothes off to either shock or simply because she was in such a rage and it was something to do and it didn't register in her head as inappropriate. Registering may or may not be "stupid" depending on why she might have stripped, but it was utterly inappropriate and she was NOT streaking. Streaking is usually done on a dare, or in protest, or as attention-seeking. It was not the first two, and with the raging fit that was happening because of her, I doubt she did it for MORE attention.

(Kids can call up smut on their computer that's a lot worse when nobody is watching).

So? Women raging and ripping off their clothes in front of kids before threatening to have cops murdered is not a fetish the might interest a kid as far as I know. The two things are very different.

As for Tom Hardy, hopefully he is not making excuses for having an addiction. The movie did not make him that way. He was already there. The movie was merely there as an excuse. He got help I take it, since he is still acting.

As he's said, he blamed himself for the film's failure and thought he'd destroyed his career. He was blaming himself too much in fact.

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Tom Hardy blames the box office failure of Nemesis for his spiral into depression, alcoholism and drug addiction. I wonder if she'll blame this on being fired from Voyager?

I knew Hardy had addiction issues early in his career, but I didn't know he blamed it on NEM... wow.  :ohmy:

Well, he certainly bounced back in a major way, didn't he? ;)

Here's hoping Lien gets help.   This situation of hers has many victims; not just the children allegedly involved, but also her own family (she has a husband and child of her own).  

He actually blamed himself for the failure for a while. There are a lot of things wrong with that film, but his performance isn't one of them.

Okay, this may be a cultural problem, but it shows me a again what a fucked up prudish place America is -- showing your boobs, NOT in a context of sexual abuse, is considered an offense? WTF?

I agree in principle that there's nothing wrong with a naked body and that, in and of itself, isn't cause to arrest someone. The problem is context. In this case though I certainly think an indecent exposure charge is warranted. It's not as if she was quietly sunbathing on her property and people flipped out.

The nudity in this case is part of a screaming psychotic break, and < I > would probably be traumatized by it, much less a kid, so indecent exposure it is. 

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This.

If she were sunbathing nude in her yard and some neighbor kid peeked over the fence that'd be another matter, but that wasn't the case here. 

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Okay, she wasn't streaking, she was going insane and stripping, so the psychotic break was thus traumatizing. Streaking would be different, but both articles were unclear (until I actually read them). I was not advocating running about streaking. I was also not advocating looking at stuff on the internet. I was just saying it's out there. Calling a female breast a boob is not a swear word. I assume you were being sarcastic. It would just been odd if I kept saying 'female breasts' and would have also proved that we are too prudish and need to censor even that. 'Dang' is a perfectly acceptable placeholder for the other word, and is therefore not a swear word.

I did say Lien needs to go to some kind of rehab and go on meds or something. What she did was unacceptable, but it still was not a 'sex offense', it was just being nuts. Perhaps the charge should be 'threatening behavior', of which one is.

It is not really comparable to Janet Jackson's publicity stunt at the Super Bowl so long ago.

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What she did was unacceptable, but it still was not a 'sex offense', it was just being nuts. 

I agree. Barring any new information it's pretty clear that she wasn't stripping to arouse herself or try to arouse the kids. Since there's no real sexual component in that way, I don't think she should be charged with what she has been, which smacks of...passive molestation, which I don't think happened. She just kind of...threw her body out there in a rage. 

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What she did was unacceptable, but it still was not a 'sex offense', it was just being nuts. 

I agree. Barring any new information it's pretty clear that she wasn't stripping to arouse herself or try to arouse the kids. Since there's no real sexual component in that way, I don't think she should be charged with what she has been, which smacks of...passive molestation, which I don't think happened. She just kind of...threw her body out there in a rage. 

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Calling a female breast a boob is not a swear word. I assume you were being sarcastic. It would just been odd if I kept saying 'female breasts' and would have also proved that we are too prudish and need to censor even that. 'Dang' is a perfectly acceptable placeholder for the other word, and is therefore not a swear word..

 

Huh? There were three f-bombs dropped (not by me for once) on the first page, not including re-quotes. No one is complaining about the talk of bosoms.

I'd ask everyone to confine strong language to the KM section if you find it necessary. Family board and all that.

Yes, I'm aware of the irony, they're just words but still. :P

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Calling a female breast a boob is not a swear word. I assume you were being sarcastic. It would just been odd if I kept saying 'female breasts' and would have also proved that we are too prudish and need to censor even that. 'Dang' is a perfectly acceptable placeholder for the other word, and is therefore not a swear word..

 

Huh? There were three f-bombs dropped (not by me for once) on the first page, not including re-quotes. No one is complaining about the talk of bosoms.

I'd ask everyone to confine strong language to the KM section if you find it necessary. Family board and all that.

Yes, I'm aware of the irony, they're just words but still. :P

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Seconded.

 

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You know what I want to know?  Where is her family?  And why have they left her there on purpose?

If you do a Google search of her, on the side it links to her husband (and son, though he's just 13) both of whom have credits from 2015 in their IMDb profiles.  She's still apparently married to her husband, and while it doesn't give any context or information, her mother seems to be alive and in the picture - she's likely only in her 60s.  The bail was set at $2500, and in most cases you only need to put up 10% of that.  But she was arrested Sept 4, and when this all hit the news it was the 14th or so and she was still in jail.

Logically, one can only deduce that it seems her family has opted to leave her there.  Perhaps for her own safety?  Perhaps for theirs?  Perhaps in the hope of the system intervening with the probable mental health help she needs?

Granted, we can't know the exact status and details of her family connections, nor their financial states.  So this is just assumption based on circumstantial evidence.  But I know if one of my relatives was in jail, I'd have put up the money to get them out sooner - unless I was at my wits end and grateful they where locked up and unable to do more harm in the world.  Which is why I think this is the case here; that they're letting her stay there because they don't know what else to do.

Sadly, the correctional system in our country - especially on a rural county level - is beyond capable of helping someone with any serious mental illness.  So all it's really doing is keeping her out of more trouble, not getting her any help.  :S

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Calling a female breast a boob is not a swear word. I assume you were being sarcastic. It would just been odd if I kept saying 'female breasts' and would have also proved that we are too prudish and need to censor even that. 'Dang' is a perfectly acceptable placeholder for the other word, and is therefore not a swear word..

 

Huh? There were three f-bombs dropped (not by me for once) on the first page, not including re-quotes. No one is complaining about the talk of bosoms.

I'd ask everyone to confine strong language to the KM section if you find it necessary. Family board and all that.

Yes, I'm aware of the irony, they're just words but still. :P

Oops, sorry... I'll try to be more careful next time.

Though I totally understand that after all the hardcore porn and Jennifer Lien's breasts, the f-word might well deeply traumatize teenage internet users, so we really have to think of the children. :P

You know what I want to know?  Where is her family?  And why have they left her there on purpose?

If you do a Google search of her, on the side it links to her husband (and son, though he's just 13) both of whom have credits from 2015 in their IMDb profiles.  She's still apparently married to her husband, and while it doesn't give any context or information, her mother seems to be alive and in the picture - she's likely only in her 60s.  The bail was set at $2500, and in most cases you only need to put up 10% of that.  But she was arrested Sept 4, and when this all hit the news it was the 14th or so and she was still in jail.

Logically, one can only deduce that it seems her family has opted to leave her there.  Perhaps for her own safety?  Perhaps for theirs?  Perhaps in the hope of the system intervening with the probable mental health help she needs?

Granted, we can't know the exact status and details of her family connections, nor their financial states.  So this is just assumption based on circumstantial evidence.  But I know if one of my relatives was in jail, I'd have put up the money to get them out sooner - unless I was at my wits end and grateful they where locked up and unable to do more harm in the world.  Which is why I think this is the case here; that they're letting her stay there because they don't know what else to do.

Sadly, the correctional system in our country - especially on a rural county level - is beyond capable of helping someone with any serious mental illness.  So all it's really doing is keeping her out of more trouble, not getting her any help.  :S

Has there actually been any hint towards mental illness?

Maybe I missed it, but could as well have been she was just dead drunk or on a bad acid trip or something. There are people who function very well in everyday life, yet might do such a thing on a given night under the influence.

Just a bit surprised how quickly people jump to conclusions when it comes to "mental illness".

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Other than releasing her mug shots (which I find in bad taste, personally), the media's been surprisingly mum on this arrest.   But, as someone noted earlier, she lives in a state not exactly known for superior mental health facilities.  A shame, because it means it's unlikely she'll get the treatment she obviously needs... 

There is still the unfortunate (and mean-spirited) tendency to mock and shame mental illness rather than treat it.   Put her in a wheelchair and she'd have our immediate sympathy, but if she has a psychotic break or an intense mental episode, and suddenly it's 'shame-and-mock-the-freak' day at the zoo.   Really pisses me off...

If she is truly mentally ill (and this is her 2nd arrest this year, so that could very well be the case), she should get immediate help, as she should if she fell in front of a speeding car... 

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Other than releasing her mug shots (which I find in bad taste, personally), the media's been surprisingly mum on this arrest.   But, as someone noted earlier, she lives in a state not exactly known for superior mental health facilities.  A shame, because it means it's unlikely she'll get the treatment she obviously needs... 

There is still the unfortunate (and mean-spirited) tendency to mock and shame mental illness rather than treat it.   Put her in a wheelchair and she'd have our immediate sympathy, but if she has a psychotic break or an intense mental episode, and suddenly it's 'shame-and-mock-the-freak' day at the zoo.   Really pisses me off...

If she is truly mentally ill (and this is her 2nd arrest this year, so that could very well be the case), she should get immediate help, as she should if she fell in front of a speeding car... 

Agreed. At very least it looks like she could use some kind of therapy, even if it's just some kind of psychological issue rather than "mental illness".

This whole media lynch mob mentality when it comes to celebrities annoys me, frankly. Just because people have seen her on tv, they don't know her. And just because she makes or made more money than most of us ever will in Hollywood, that doesn't mean it's okay to vent the own feelings of envy onto her (including schadenfreude when she fails), just because she's a public figure, IMO.

This, plus the fewest people who behave outside the norm on a given night, actually are "mentally ill". In my personal opinion, way too many attitudes that are considered "normal" or even greatly beneficial in terms of career benefits, are totally sick, twisted and anti-social. And if one lives in an environment that's so square that he never witnessed (first or second hand) of an acquiantace, who is otherwise rather decent and functioning, who misbehaved after a couple of drinks too much, or because of some other issue that's less grave than "mental illness", I don't know if I'd feel envy or pity.

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Other than releasing her mug shots (which I find in bad taste, personally), the media's been surprisingly mum on this arrest.   But, as someone noted earlier, she lives in a state not exactly known for superior mental health facilities.  A shame, because it means it's unlikely she'll get the treatment she obviously needs... 

There is still the unfortunate (and mean-spirited) tendency to mock and shame mental illness rather than treat it.   Put her in a wheelchair and she'd have our immediate sympathy, but if she has a psychotic break or an intense mental episode, and suddenly it's 'shame-and-mock-the-freak' day at the zoo.   Really pisses me off...

If she is truly mentally ill (and this is her 2nd arrest this year, so that could very well be the case), she should get immediate help, as she should if she fell in front of a speeding car... 

Agreed. At very least it looks like she could use some kind of therapy, even if it's just some kind of psychological issue rather than "mental illness".

This whole media lynch mob mentality when it comes to celebrities annoys me, frankly. Just because people have seen her on tv, they don't know her. And just because she makes or made more money than most of us ever will in Hollywood, that doesn't mean it's okay to vent the own feelings of envy onto her (including schadenfreude when she fails), just because she's a public figure, IMO.

This, plus the fewest people who behave outside the norm on a given night, actually are "mentally ill". In my personal opinion, way too many attitudes that are considered "normal" or even greatly beneficial in terms of career benefits, are totally sick, twisted and anti-social. And if one lives in an environment that's so square that he never witnessed (first or second hand) of an acquiantace, who is otherwise rather decent and functioning, who misbehaved after a couple of drinks too much, or because of some other issue that's less grave than "mental illness", I don't know if I'd feel envy or pity.

Good points all, Sim.

And yes, you're right; she might be in the grip of a severe addiction or depression.   We know Kes, not Jennifer Lien.  As for those who feel a certain schadenfreude (love that word!) at her misfortune?  I think it's characteristic of the 'gang-up' mentality people get whenever a former celebrity falters and stumbles.  It's more pathetic for those who get pleasure that way than it is for the fallen celebrity.    As they say, we love them till we don't... 

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Granted, we can't know the exact status and details of her family connections, nor their financial states.  So this is just assumption based on circumstantial evidence.  But I know if one of my relatives was in jail, I'd have put up the money to get them out sooner - unless I was at my wits end and grateful they where locked up and unable to do more harm in the world.  Which is why I think this is the case here; that they're letting her stay there because they don't know what else to do.

They may indeed think she's safer there, than out, and judging by these events, I suspect they're right. 

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Other than releasing her mug shots (which I find in bad taste, personally), the media's been surprisingly mum on this arrest. 

Not really surprising. I mean, would we be talking about it if she hadn't been in Star Trek? Of course not. I doubt anyone outside the Trek fandom would even know her name. She didn't exactly have a stellar career after her stint on Voyager.

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Other than releasing her mug shots (which I find in bad taste, personally), the media's been surprisingly mum on this arrest. 

Not really surprising. I mean, would we be talking about it if she hadn't been in Star Trek? Of course not. I doubt anyone outside the Trek fandom would even know her name. She didn't exactly have a stellar career after her stint on Voyager.

I thought I'd read somewhere (?) that she'd retired from acting after her child was born in 2002.   Not sure; think she might've said that at a convention...

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Other than releasing her mug shots (which I find in bad taste, personally), the media's been surprisingly mum on this arrest. 

Not really surprising. I mean, would we be talking about it if she hadn't been in Star Trek? Of course not. I doubt anyone outside the Trek fandom would even know her name. She didn't exactly have a stellar career after her stint on Voyager.

I thought I'd read somewhere (?) that she'd retired from acting after her child was born in 2002.   Not sure; think she might've said that at a convention...

That's at least what her wiki page says.

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This was virtually guaranteed and probably the best thing for her.

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Stays on the program and she's likely to get her sentence suspended all around.

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