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The FX of "Shin Godzilla" were just incredible; many times besting the work of Gareth Edwards 2014 "Godzilla."  

I thought so too... we did see it! Last Friday, in fact. It looked incredible. Meant to write a review, go distracted by other posts, and big life events...!

We enjoyed it up to a point, but found it very slow and talky for overly long stretches. It takes itself a little too seriously in places, while trying to be some sort of political satire in others. While that's fair enough, there's a lightness of touch to be had when you're employing such stylistic flourishes in what is essentially a monster movie. There are many great points made throughout, but both the bairn and I kept waiting for the story proper to begin. Making the point that bureaucracy cripples creative thinking is fair enough, but taking half an hour to do it is stretching an audience's patience very thinly. The sleight-of-hand reveal - Godzilla's evolution - is cool, and there are many great ideas, both visually and narratively. But damn, between the action sequences, the execution, the flow of the movie as a whole, leaves a lot to be desired. The ending - 'Zilla at the dentist -  although making narrative sense, was also really anticlimactic.

It's certainly a big improvement on Final Wars, and a very different take on Edwards' US version. I'd have to say i preferred the human characters overall in this movie than his, but it's a close run thing. Can't help thinking Shin Godzilla would be vastly improved by some judicious editing.

On balance, this movie wins, but only a small margin. Neither is the modern Godzilla movie I was really hoping for. I hope it does well though, so we get another Toho production...! Certainly worth seeing for the Godzilla action sequences themselves which were breathtaking.

I thought the first hour or so belabored the political satire almost to the breaking point; it nearly felt like a French farce at times rather than a G-movie.   But once Godzilla mutated? The movie kicks into top gear.  And yes, I too enjoyed the human characters in SG a lot more than the leads in Edwards' "Godzilla." 

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I ordered this US box set. I know, all movies in English dubbed (ugh), but aside from GODZILLA VERSUS DESTROYAH, I havent see the others 1990s movies. AT least is in widescreen, so it must be  afun ride.

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I ordered this US box set. I know, all movies in English dubbed (ugh), but aside from GODZILLA VERSUS DESTROYAH, I havent see the others 1990s movies. AT least is in widescreen, so it must be  afun ride.

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Of the Big G films, they're all pretty good. Destroyah's the classic, but IIRC Space Godzilla's also particularly enjoyable and Ghidorah has some great moments too. Haven't seen the two lone Mothra ones.

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I ordered this US box set. I know, all movies in English dubbed (ugh), but aside from GODZILLA VERSUS DESTROYAH, I havent see the others 1990s movies. AT least is in widescreen, so it must be  afun ride.

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Of the Big G films, they're all pretty good. Destroyah's the classic, but IIRC Space Godzilla's also particularly enjoyable and Ghidorah has some great moments too. Haven't seen the two lone Mothra ones.

I also liked King Ghidora (1991); that one is really goofy but fun.    The time-travel stuff is ridiculous, but wildly entertaining. 

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No question.  I remember the first time I saw the original Gojira vs. the Raymond Burr-ized version and it truly feels like two different movies.  My fiends and I went to a screening in L.A at the NuArt where they showed the original with English subtitles.  First off, even in 2004 the then-50 year old movie had tremendous power (esp in a theatre).  I was amazed.  A movie I'd thought I'd known most of my life was very different to me..  Gojira is adult, and even hauntingly sophisticated.  The American-edit is just a monster movie; with Raymond Burr clumsily edited into every other shot mansplaining the whole movie for us. 

Needless to say, I can't watch the Burr version anymore.

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No question.  I remember the first time I saw the original Gojira vs. the Raymond Burr-ized version and it truly feels like two different movies.  My fiends and I went to a screening in L.A at the NuArt where they showed the original with English subtitles.  First off, even in 2004 the then-50 year old movie had tremendous power (esp in a theatre).  I was amazed.  A movie I'd thought I'd known most of my life was very different to me..  Gojira is adult, and even hauntingly sophisticated.  The American-edit is just a monster movie; with Raymond Burr clumsily edited into every other shot mansplaining the whole movie for us. 

Needless to say, I can't watch the Burr version anymore.

I think the Burr version is a cultural artifact and is interesting for it to compare and contrast, but yeah, that's about it. It is, after all, what brought a lot of English speaking fans into the fold. But the original is so much more layered - Godzilla is a metaphor, but the terror depicted in the film isn't, which makes it oddly visceral. 

After that, he became something else as well, an instantly recognizable and merchandizable phenomenon, but the most interesting thing about him is that the metaphor is still present. Many choose not to see it, but it's still there. 

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No question.  I remember the first time I saw the original Gojira vs. the Raymond Burr-ized version and it truly feels like two different movies.  My fiends and I went to a screening in L.A at the NuArt where they showed the original with English subtitles.  First off, even in 2004 the then-50 year old movie had tremendous power (esp in a theatre).  I was amazed.  A movie I'd thought I'd known most of my life was very different to me..  Gojira is adult, and even hauntingly sophisticated.  The American-edit is just a monster movie; with Raymond Burr clumsily edited into every other shot mansplaining the whole movie for us. 

Needless to say, I can't watch the Burr version anymore.

I think the Burr version is a cultural artifact and is interesting for it to compare and contrast, but yeah, that's about it. It is, after all, what brought a lot of English speaking fans into the fold. But the original is so much more layered - Godzilla is a metaphor, but the terror depicted in the film isn't, which makes it oddly visceral. 

After that, he became something else as well, an instantly recognizable and merchandizable phenomenon, but the most interesting thing about him is that the metaphor is still present. Many choose not to see it, but it's still there. 

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Very much so.

The whole Japanese keiju-eiga (giant monster) phenomenon has obvious roots in 'macro' terrors like tsunamis and the atomic bomb.   Japan seems historically vulnerable (sadly) to such large-scale horrors.  It's not a wonder that the original Gojira, by making those cultural fears tangible, became such a runaway hit in that country.   It gave an image to a particular fear of the Japanese people. 

In the US and other countries, they're seen mainly as more atomic-age giant monster stories (not too dissimilar from the Bert I. Gordon "Colossal Man" movies), but to the Japanese they have a far deeper resonance within their culture.   You don't see it as much in the Godzilla movies of the '60s and '70s (which shamelessly pandered to their growing popularity with children), but the earlier and later entries in the series definitely bring that 'post-atomic horror' feeling back to the franchise; "Shin Gojira" (2016) especially so (especially being produced only 5 years after the tsunami/nuclear disaster at Fukushima).

 

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Watching the original Gojira and then the Burr version convinced me that if I was going to watch the Godzilla movies, I'd try like hell to watch them in their original versions with subtitles over dubbing.  The original holds up tremendously well while the Burr version does not.  I think the Criterion might have both versions and therefore I own both...but I will only watch the original. 

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I ordered this US box set. I know, all movies in English dubbed (ugh), but aside from GODZILLA VERSUS DESTROYAH, I havent see the others 1990s movies. AT least is in widescreen, so it must be  afun ride.

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Gus

Of the Big G films, they're all pretty good. Destroyah's the classic, but IIRC Space Godzilla's also particularly enjoyable and Ghidorah has some great moments too. Haven't seen the two lone Mothra ones.

I also liked King Ghidora (1991); that one is really goofy but fun.    The time-travel stuff is ridiculous, but wildly entertaining. 

Received the box set and already saw the four 1990s Godzilla movies (including re-watch DESTROYAH) and loved them. OKay its dubbed in English but whatta heck, I loved them specially SPACE GODZILLA and KING GHIDORA (which has a UFO, time travel and even a Terminator-like character !) Now I have to watch GODZILLA 1985 abd BIOLLANTE which are available - yay ! - subtitled.

Too much fun !

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Received the box set and already saw the four 1990s Godzilla movies (including re-watch DESTROYAH) and loved them. OKay its dubbed in English but whattta heck, I loved them specially SPACE GODXILLA and KING GHIDORA (which has a UFO, time travel and even a Terminator-like character !) Now I have to watch GODZILLA 1985 abd BIOLLANTE which are vaiulable - yey ! - subtitled.

Too much fun !

Biollante is so OTT it's hilarious. Love it. yeah, it's nicer to see them subtitled, but I watch them with my kid, and she prefers dubbed, so I've got used to them that way.

I also got ahold of a Gamera cheapo box set that I've been working my way through... very entertaining.

You can't beat a bit of Kaiju for solving world problems. I think we should get the leaders of the world to dress up in kaiju suits and film them in slo-mo, slugging out their differences in a boxing ring. Makes as much - no, it makes more sense - to me than modern politics. And it'd be a lot more entertaining.

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I do plan on getting to this movie sometime soon actually.  I recently watched the classic "King Kong vs Godzilla" and a coworker who loves Godzilla and monster movies lent me his big set of a bunch of classic Godzilla films, so once I dig deeper into some Toho classics, I will probably venture into the new one. 

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Got to be honest, I found Shin Godzilla a bit of a chore to get through. The scenes where you actually get to see him in action are mind blowing... all the rest of it, the 'comedy of bureaucracy' was really very dull. That one lost its way for me in expositional terms. Too much, overlong, boring characters. Cut that stuff down and give us the monster, who was very, very cool. 

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1 hour ago, Robin Bland said:

Got to be honest, I found Shin Godzilla a bit of a chore to get through. The scenes where you actually get to see him in action are mind blowing... all the rest of it, the 'comedy of bureaucracy' was really very dull. That one lost its way for me in expositional terms. Too much, overlong, boring characters. Cut that stuff down and give us the monster, who was very, very cool. 

That's the beauty of owning it on B/R, I can skip through the first hour.  :laugh:

And yes, that farcical, bureaucracy-unchained first hour went on WAAAAAYY too long.   The G-porn was magnificent, however.   It was some of the best in the entire 60+ years of these things, IMHO.    I also like the Fukushima parallels as well; powerful allegory for today's audiences, just as the '54 version spoke to the post-Hiroshima/Nagasaki audiences of Japan.

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8 hours ago, Sehlat Vie said:

That's the beauty of owning it on B/R, I can skip through the first hour.  :laugh:

And yes, that farcical, bureaucracy-unchained first hour went on WAAAAAYY too long.   The G-porn was magnificent, however.   It was some of the best in the entire 60+ years of these things, IMHO.    I also like the Fukushima parallels as well; powerful allegory for today's audiences, just as the '54 version spoke to the post-Hiroshima/Nagasaki audiences of Japan.

Ha! Yeah, it was without doubt one of the more intelligent treatments of Godzill as allegory, the monster as metaphor... but yawnsome! Until, yeah, the G-porn, which was magnifico. Compared to Final Wars, it was Shakespeare.

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2 hours ago, Robin Bland said:

Ha! Yeah, it was without doubt one of the more intelligent treatments of Godzill as allegory, the monster as metaphor... but yawnsome! Until, yeah, the G-porn, which was magnifico. Compared to Final Wars, it was Shakespeare.

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No kidding, right?  Thought I was the only one disappointed as hell with Final Wars.   I went to the Egyptian theatre (American Cinemateque) with a good friend of mine to watch the premiere of that turkey back in 2004.   Such disappointment. 

And yes, I agree that "Shin..." Is a REALLY long slow burn to get to the goods.  But it does deliver, however belatedly. 

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