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If Enterprise Was Done the Way Brannon Wanted To

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I would have been perfectly fine with a Daedalus-class starship....

I dunno, I kind of find it clunky and uninteresting to look at, but that's just me.

Yeah, I get that. I mean, I do think it has a very...un-geometric look to it. But I figured that was the point. The ships didn't become "sleek and sexy" until much later. It would felt a bit more in line with "evolution" of designs. As it stands, the NX looks like it's from the 24th century. haha.

I do like that pic, though. The one that looks like a mix of the NX and Kirk's Enterprise. If it started off with that one, I'd have loved it.

Pretty sure that NX mod was supposed to happen in season 5.

Really? I thought that was just a fan-drawn picture. A "what if..." kind of thing. They would have literally transformed the ship? That's so cool... Dammit, now I want a season 5. haha

Yeah.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Undeveloped_Star_Trek:_Enterprise_episodes

Bottom of the page. Then there's the fact that the rest of that page makes me long for a fifth season, too.

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I would have been perfectly fine with a Daedalus-class starship....

I dunno, I kind of find it clunky and uninteresting to look at, but that's just me.

Yeah, I get that. I mean, I do think it has a very...un-geometric look to it. But I figured that was the point. The ships didn't become "sleek and sexy" until much later. It would felt a bit more in line with "evolution" of designs. As it stands, the NX looks like it's from the 24th century. haha.

I do like that pic, though. The one that looks like a mix of the NX and Kirk's Enterprise. If it started off with that one, I'd have loved it.

Pretty sure that NX mod was supposed to happen in season 5.

Really? I thought that was just a fan-drawn picture. A "what if..." kind of thing. They would have literally transformed the ship? That's so cool... Dammit, now I want a season 5. haha

Yeah.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Undeveloped_Star_Trek:_Enterprise_episodes

Bottom of the page. Then there's the fact that the rest of that page makes me long for a fifth season, too.

Those ideas sound so damn good I weep for the season of ENT that never was. Man, such a shame Coto didn't become show runner a few years earlier...

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I would have been perfectly fine with a Daedalus-class starship....

I dunno, I kind of find it clunky and uninteresting to look at, but that's just me.

Yeah, I get that. I mean, I do think it has a very...un-geometric look to it. But I figured that was the point. The ships didn't become "sleek and sexy" until much later. It would felt a bit more in line with "evolution" of designs. As it stands, the NX looks like it's from the 24th century. haha.

I do like that pic, though. The one that looks like a mix of the NX and Kirk's Enterprise. If it started off with that one, I'd have loved it.

Pretty sure that NX mod was supposed to happen in season 5.

Really? I thought that was just a fan-drawn picture. A "what if..." kind of thing. They would have literally transformed the ship? That's so cool... Dammit, now I want a season 5. haha

Yeah.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Undeveloped_Star_Trek:_Enterprise_episodes

Bottom of the page. Then there's the fact that the rest of that page makes me long for a fifth season, too.

Those ideas sound so damn good I weep for the season of ENT that never was. Man, such a shame Coto didn't become show runner a few years earlier...

That mini-Mirror series within the season alone would have been a nonstop fangasm for me.

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I would have been perfectly fine with a Daedalus-class starship....

I dunno, I kind of find it clunky and uninteresting to look at, but that's just me.

Yeah, I get that. I mean, I do think it has a very...un-geometric look to it. But I figured that was the point. The ships didn't become "sleek and sexy" until much later. It would felt a bit more in line with "evolution" of designs. As it stands, the NX looks like it's from the 24th century. haha.

I do like that pic, though. The one that looks like a mix of the NX and Kirk's Enterprise. If it started off with that one, I'd have loved it.

Pretty sure that NX mod was supposed to happen in season 5.

Really? I thought that was just a fan-drawn picture. A "what if..." kind of thing. They would have literally transformed the ship? That's so cool... Dammit, now I want a season 5. haha

Yeah.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Undeveloped_Star_Trek:_Enterprise_episodes

Bottom of the page. Then there's the fact that the rest of that page makes me long for a fifth season, too.

Those ideas sound so damn good I weep for the season of ENT that never was. Man, such a shame Coto didn't become show runner a few years earlier...

That mini-Mirror series within the season alone would have been a nonstop fangasm for me.

The Tan-Ru (pre-Nomad) story has me drooling onto my keyboard...

That is one rare prequel story I'd really love answered; just who WERE its builders? They sure tweaked Nomad something fierce...

Their technology was borderline god-tech; they put all that muscle into a probe whose function was to sterilize soil samples (?). Holy smokes...

And even though the Col. Green story was somewhat mitigated by "Terra Prime" & "Demons" (and I'm totally OK with that), I still would've loved to see some kind of WW3 holdover that somehow affects ENT's timeline.

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The Daedalus-Class Horizon model was in Sisko´s office, so in my opinion it should be canon.

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The Daedalus-Class Horizon model was in Sisko´s office, so in my opinion it should be canon.

Gus

Oh, I'm not questioning that it's canon, but that doesn't preclude the NX or the refit from existing. I just don't think Daedalus is the vehicle you build a series around.

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The Daedalus-Class Horizon model was in Sisko´s office, so in my opinion it should be canon.

Gus

Oh, I'm not questioning that it's canon, but that doesn't preclude the NX or the refit from existing. I just don't think Daedalus is the vehicle you build a series around.

She's not a pretty ship, granted. But I still think with a teensy bit of CGI 'gloss' she could be ready for her closeup....

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The Daedalus-Class Horizon model was in Sisko´s office, so in my opinion it should be canon.

Gus

Oh, I'm not questioning that it's canon, but that doesn't preclude the NX or the refit from existing. I just don't think Daedalus is the vehicle you build a series around.

What about as a background ship? Like show it exists, but not be the center show ship?

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The Daedalus-Class Horizon model was in Sisko´s office, so in my opinion it should be canon.

Gus

Oh, I'm not questioning that it's canon, but that doesn't preclude the NX or the refit from existing. I just don't think Daedalus is the vehicle you build a series around.

She's not a pretty ship, granted. But I still think with a teensy bit of CGI 'gloss' she could be ready for her closeup....

It needs some angles. It doesn't necessarily need to be fully reshaped, but it's blocky.

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The Daedalus-Class Horizon model was in Sisko´s office, so in my opinion it should be canon.

Gus

Oh, I'm not questioning that it's canon, but that doesn't preclude the NX or the refit from existing. I just don't think Daedalus is the vehicle you build a series around.

What about as a background ship? Like show it exists, but not be the center show ship?

That would be totally fine. I wouldn't mind seeing it around. If it wwre some basic workhorse, I could see it. That's what it looks like it is anyway.

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The Daedalus-Class Horizon model was in Sisko´s office, so in my opinion it should be canon.

Gus

Oh, I'm not questioning that it's canon, but that doesn't preclude the NX or the refit from existing. I just don't think Daedalus is the vehicle you build a series around.

What about as a background ship? Like show it exists, but not be the center show ship?

That would be totally fine. I wouldn't mind seeing it around. If it wwre some basic workhorse, I could see it. That's what it looks like it is anyway.

I agree; maybe not as a central ship, but it would've been kind of nice to see, say, in a hypothetical ENT 5th or 6th season, a Daedalus-class roll off the assembly line....

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Looks gorgeous to me.

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This ship has exploration written all over it.

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It has JJ Abrams' Engineering set written all over it. :)

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It has JJ Abrams' Engineering set written all over it. :)

Inside the engine room of the USS Budweiser, Daedalus class...

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^^^

That looks about right :)

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The whole premise of the show was bad. I think they went too far in the past, and they did things that couldn't be reconciled with TOS. These were not the writers to take on this challenge for a prequel. The result was what it was.

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The whole premise of the show was bad. I think they went too far in the past, and they did things that couldn't be reconciled with TOS. These were not the writers to take on this challenge for a prequel. The result was what it was.

And what it was wasn't so bad; they just lost their way somewhere in the middle, that's all.

As many have said, if S4 had been S1 it would've had a lot more gas in the tank...

Setting it on the TOS USS Enterprise (even a pre-Kirk version) wouldn't differentiate a new series at all. What would be the point?

You'd just be watching classic ST with a different cast who are (for new viewers) confusingly using very clunky, retro-looking technology for some reason. Founder's comment on "The Cage" (after viewing it for the first time) still rings in my ears when he said (quite correctly) that the technology in "The Cage" looked borderline steampunk today. He was absolutely right.

Again, that kind of trick only works for fan films (fans who are in on the gag); it doesn't work for a NEW show whose goal is not only to preach to the converted; but to win over new audience members as well. I know people who never cared about ST at all till TNG, or DS9 or even ST09. It was their 'gateway drug' into ST because it had a fresh angle; these were people who'd never seen Star Trek in any previous incarnation but were hooked by the new premise.

ENT (successfully implemented or not) had a good idea (even if it was a prequel); to "see how it all began..." That's a nice hook for both old viewers and new. Too bad it didn't entirely work out; many bad decisions were made along the way and the series ultimately got (excuse the pun) 'lost in space'... feeling more like VGR after awhile. It got back on track in S4, but by then it was too late to save the patient.

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Just read the story proposals for season 5 on Memory Alpha ... it's really a damn shame ENT was cancelled after season 4. Season 5 would have been a lot of fun.

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The whole premise of the show was bad. I think they went too far in the past, and they did things that couldn't be reconciled with TOS. These were not the writers to take on this challenge for a prequel. The result was what it was.

And what it was wasn't so bad; they just lost their way somewhere in the middle, that's all.

As many have said, if S4 had been S1 it would've had a lot more gas in the tank...

Setting it on the TOS USS Enterprise (even a pre-Kirk version) wouldn't differentiate a new series at all. What would be the point?

You'd just be watching classic ST with a different cast who are (for new viewers) confusingly using very clunky, retro-looking technology for some reason. Founder's comment on "The Cage" (after viewing it for the first time) still rings in my ears when he said (quite correctly) that the technology in "The Cage" looked borderline steampunk today. He was absolutely right.

Again, that kind of trick only works for fan films (fans who are in on the gag); it doesn't work for a NEW show whose goal is not only to preach to the converted; but to win over new audience members as well. I know people who never cared about ST at all till TNG, or DS9 or even ST09. It was their 'gateway drug' into ST because it had a fresh angle; these were people who'd never seen Star Trek in any previous incarnation but were hooked by the new premise.

ENT (successfully implemented or not) had a good idea (even if it was a prequel); to "see how it all began..." That's a nice hook for both old viewers and new. Too bad it didn't entirely work out; many bad decisions were made along the way and the series ultimately got (excuse the pun) 'lost in space'... feeling more like VGR after awhile. It got back on track in S4, but by then it was too late to save the patient.

This.

If ENT had attempted to go back to TOS production values just for the sake of "continuity porn" (to appease fans who don't get that Star Trek is a tv show and that one of its series just happened to be produced in the 60s, and that the depiction of fictional technology of course changes over the decades), perhaps even I, as a fan, would have found that so embarressing that I'd have ridiculed it.

A 2000s show deliberately going back to 60s production values? WTF?

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The whole premise of the show was bad. I think they went too far in the past, and they did things that couldn't be reconciled with TOS. These were not the writers to take on this challenge for a prequel. The result was what it was.

And what it was wasn't so bad; they just lost their way somewhere in the middle, that's all.

As many have said, if S4 had been S1 it would've had a lot more gas in the tank...

Setting it on the TOS USS Enterprise (even a pre-Kirk version) wouldn't differentiate a new series at all. What would be the point?

You'd just be watching classic ST with a different cast who are (for new viewers) confusingly using very clunky, retro-looking technology for some reason. Founder's comment on "The Cage" (after viewing it for the first time) still rings in my ears when he said (quite correctly) that the technology in "The Cage" looked borderline steampunk today. He was absolutely right.

Again, that kind of trick only works for fan films (fans who are in on the gag); it doesn't work for a NEW show whose goal is not only to preach to the converted; but to win over new audience members as well. I know people who never cared about ST at all till TNG, or DS9 or even ST09. It was their 'gateway drug' into ST because it had a fresh angle; these were people who'd never seen Star Trek in any previous incarnation but were hooked by the new premise.

ENT (successfully implemented or not) had a good idea (even if it was a prequel); to "see how it all began..." That's a nice hook for both old viewers and new. Too bad it didn't entirely work out; many bad decisions were made along the way and the series ultimately got (excuse the pun) 'lost in space'... feeling more like VGR after awhile. It got back on track in S4, but by then it was too late to save the patient.

This.

If ENT had attempted to go back to TOS production values just for the sake of "continuity porn" (to appease fans who don't get that Star Trek is a tv show and that one of its series just happened to be produced in the 60s, and that the depiction of fictional technology of course changes over the decades), perhaps even I, as a fan, would have found that so embarressing that I'd have ridiculed it.

A 2000s show deliberately going back to 60s production values? WTF?

Can't reconcile? The books reconciled it just fine. The NX class were long in construction time and bleeding edge in technology.They had to be abandoned as a formal class in favor of Daedalus because, in time of war, they were easy to churn out.

I cannot agree enough with the notion that recreating the 1960s sets would have been ridiculous. Light bright consoles and flashing lights on a screen that say nothing. Even now they'd look like backward fools with their equipment. With tech even as it is now, in 200 years, Kirk's communicator, full tricorder, and probably type-1 phaser would all be in the same smartphone-sized unit.

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The whole premise of the show was bad. I think they went too far in the past, and they did things that couldn't be reconciled with TOS. These were not the writers to take on this challenge for a prequel. The result was what it was.

And what it was wasn't so bad; they just lost their way somewhere in the middle, that's all.

As many have said, if S4 had been S1 it would've had a lot more gas in the tank...

Setting it on the TOS USS Enterprise (even a pre-Kirk version) wouldn't differentiate a new series at all. What would be the point?

You'd just be watching classic ST with a different cast who are (for new viewers) confusingly using very clunky, retro-looking technology for some reason. Founder's comment on "The Cage" (after viewing it for the first time) still rings in my ears when he said (quite correctly) that the technology in "The Cage" looked borderline steampunk today. He was absolutely right.

Again, that kind of trick only works for fan films (fans who are in on the gag); it doesn't work for a NEW show whose goal is not only to preach to the converted; but to win over new audience members as well. I know people who never cared about ST at all till TNG, or DS9 or even ST09. It was their 'gateway drug' into ST because it had a fresh angle; these were people who'd never seen Star Trek in any previous incarnation but were hooked by the new premise.

ENT (successfully implemented or not) had a good idea (even if it was a prequel); to "see how it all began..." That's a nice hook for both old viewers and new. Too bad it didn't entirely work out; many bad decisions were made along the way and the series ultimately got (excuse the pun) 'lost in space'... feeling more like VGR after awhile. It got back on track in S4, but by then it was too late to save the patient.

This.

If ENT had attempted to go back to TOS production values just for the sake of "continuity porn" (to appease fans who don't get that Star Trek is a tv show and that one of its series just happened to be produced in the 60s, and that the depiction of fictional technology of course changes over the decades), perhaps even I, as a fan, would have found that so embarressing that I'd have ridiculed it.

A 2000s show deliberately going back to 60s production values? WTF?

Can't reconcile? The books reconciled it just fine. The NX class were long in construction time and bleeding edge in technology.They had to be abandoned as a formal class in favor of Daedalus because, in time of war, they were easy to churn out.

I cannot agree enough with the notion that recreating the 1960s sets would have been ridiculous. Light bright consoles and flashing lights on a screen that say nothing. Even now they'd look like backward fools with their equipment. With tech even as it is now, in 200 years, Kirk's communicator, full tricorder, and probably type-1 phaser would all be in the same smartphone-sized unit.

And about the thickness of a credit card....

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Having the first season done that way would have been ok,but for it to run over 2 seasons,fans would had lost interest in the series.

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It doesn't matter how good these episodes may have been. It doesn't matter how well the series was starting to do with Manny Coto. It doesn't matter that, like all ST series it wasn't starting to find itself until after two or three seasons. UPN had decided to kill it due to a desire to go in a different direction.

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It doesn't matter how good these episodes may have been. It doesn't matter how well the series was starting to do with Manny Coto. It doesn't matter that, like all ST series it wasn't starting to find itself until after two or three seasons. UPN had decided to kill it due to a desire to go in a different direction.

Well, I think it all does matter, if for no other reason than it's the nature of the thread.

UPN was more shutting down than going in a different direction, though, I suppose, out of business is a different direction.

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I found it silly enough that they tried to explain the Klingon forehead ridge issue on screen. It's obvious that the Klingons didn't have forehead ridges in TOS because it was too expensive back then, and/or they were designed with a totally different approach in mind (less of a honor-based warrior society, more like Cold War enemies). There is a simple off-screen explanation. Trying to find a (totally far-fetched) on-screen explanation makes the fans look like idiots who can't tell fiction from reality.

I loved the line in DS9 "Trials and Tribble-ations": "We don't discuss it with outsiders". That was an elegant and self-ironic nod to the issue. They should have left it with that.

Maybe they could have had an ENT actor on screen, Phlox or so, breaking the fourth wall, directly addressing the audience: "Dear audience, perhaps you have realized the Klingons look different than in The Original Series. This is because it was filmed 40 years ago. I'm pretty sure you get that this a tv show? Thanks for your understanding." ;)

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