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D) Daedalus-class DAMMIT.

I can see everyone's problems with the Akiraprise, but I think the design would almost have to have been something like this:

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to be more recognizable to audiences. I don't find the Daedalus particularly photogenic with the Bridgesketball on the front and I think the show would have caught a lot of flack had they used it.

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D) Daedalus-class DAMMIT.

I can see everyone's problems with the Akiraprise, but I think the design would almost have to have been something like this:

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to be more recognizable to audiences. I don't find the Daedalus particularly photogenic with the Bridgesketball on the front and I think the show would have caught a lot of flack had they used it.

Mmm, I don't think so.

I've seen the Daedalus from certain angles, and I really think it could've worked (especially with a bit more detailing on the exterior hull). While I like Doug Drexler's modified NX-01 above? I just think it looks WAY too on-the-nose and modern to be a predecessor to Kirk's ship (unless, you believe as I do, that ENT was an alternate universe of events spun from the fallout of "First Contact." It's future NCC-1701 would probably look more like Abramsprise than TOS' ship).

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Zef'No   

IMO, almost any change would be an improvement, since it's hard to imagine how it could possibly be any worse.

First and foremost though, it should not have been a prequel. That was the first mistake, it imposed so many restrictions and limitations for no good reason and made it impossible for them to do anything particularly interesting. Setting it something like 100 years after Nemesis would have been a lot smarter.

Then, as others have said, the other major thing is characters. There's no point having 7 stars if the writers only put effort into 2-3 of them. We knew more about the dog than we ever did about Travis (who?!)

Other problems include:

Casting: Dreadful, almost completely across the board. The actors clearly weren't hired for their acting ability. Bakula and Blalock in particular were painfully wooden, and Keating was incredibly irritating.

Sets and Costume: Dull as ditchwater. Might as well have been in black-and-white, there was no visual interest there whatsoever. For goodness sake have a bit of colour or something!

Ridiculous "decontamination" scenes, Archer in the shower, Trip running around the ship in his underwear, T'Pol "accidentally" falling onto Archer so that her breasts are ontop of his face... What is this, soft-porn pantomime?

Rip-off other stories: Two starfleet officers are tried in a Klingon court and sentenced to Rura Penthe.... Hmmm, where have I seen that before??

And I could go on...

Enterprise needed to be different, not just more TNG/VOY stories with a different cast.

If they really had to do a prequel, they should have used the Babylon 5 spinoff Crusade as a model. - With a few modifications, that was exactly the type of thing that Enterprise should have been.

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I dunno, Drexler's may work better with different detailing itself, or perhaps some reshaping here or there.

As for it being an alternate timeline, I don't see why not. The timeline has been so impossibly FUBARd by everyone from Kirk to Janeway that literally anything is possible. I think if you traveled through The Guardian he'd keep you straight, but otherwise at this point I'm of the mind that everyone just came back to "close enough."

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There's no point having 7 stars if the writers only put effort into 2-3 of them. We knew more about the dog than we ever did about Travis (who?!)

This is an unfair criticism of ENT alone, as almost all the ST series have this particular problem really.

And it is a problem that producers are only able to see clearly as a show progresses. Everybody had their little 'moments' in "Broken Bow" but some emerged as more popular than others and the writers began to (correctly or not) right to those characters' strengths more than anyone else. But almost ALL the ST series have this problem. I'd say DS9 was best at balancing and maintaining its large ensemble, but TNG, VGR and even TOS weren't so good.

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This is an unfair criticism of ENT alone, as almost all the ST series have this particular problem really.

And it is a problem that producers are only able to see clearly as a show progresses. Everybody had their little 'moments' in "Broken Bow" but some emerged as more popular than others and the writers began to (correctly or not) right to those characters' strengths more than anyone else. But almost ALL the ST series have this problem. I'd say DS9 was best at balancing and maintaining its large ensemble, but TNG, VGR and even TOS weren't so good.

Well, TOS you can forgive because it never pretended that the cast were all equal; they clearly were never meant to be. Plus it was the 60's and TV was in its infancy.

DS9 definitely does not have this problem; their characters are all nicely fleshed out (even the guest ones).

VOY started off like a nice ensemble show, but they kinda gave up after 2-3 seasons.

So yes, I will agree to a point that TNG and the latter half of VOY suffered from the same problem... But to a lesser degree.

TNG did become primarily a Picard/Data show, but I would still say that after 4 years, we still knew more about Troi, Worf, Wesley etc. then we ever learnt about Malcolm, Hoshi or Travis (I mean seriously, after two years the only thing we knew about Malcolm was that he liked pineapple!).

And like TOS, TNG had the excuse of being "early TV"... People didn't expect as much in the 80's, particular from a sci-fi show. But by the 21st century, TV had changed. Shows like Babylon 5 (and others) had paved the way for a new kind of storytelling, but Star Trek couldn't keep up... It was still stuck in the rut of 80's style episodic stories with one-dimensional characters and a big reset button at the end. You could get away with that when there wasn't any competition, but with the plethora of sci-fi shows sprouting in the mid-90's onwards, such a backwards approach could not be as easily overlooked.

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TOS, being a product of its time, wasn't terribly interested in its ensemble. They were just there to sort of help the "real" stars shine.

I think TNG did fairly well. Everybody had a chance to shine, more or less. It's just that some simply weren't as interesting overall as others.

DS9 did really well, probably better than any other show I've seen at giving everyone something great to do. Voyager was The Doctor and Seven Show" for various reasons.

Enterprise, intentionally or not ended up really mimicking Kirk, Spock, and McCoy with Archer, T'Pol, and Trip.

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It was still stuck in the rut of 80's style episodic stories with one-dimensional characters and a big reset button at the end.

It was stuck there because that's the TV Berman knew how to make. In his defense though, for almost the entirety of his career, that's all TV was.

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The Daedalus-class is meant to not look sleeky, but clunky. Showing how bulky and primitive the tech was. Plus - with CGI - it could probably look "nice".

For decades, Trek fans "knew" that class to be the originator of Starfleet. I understand it's from non-canon material. But stuff like that needn't be tossed aside to make an upside down Akira-class looking ship.

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For decades, Trek fans "knew" that class to be the originator of Starfleet. I understand it's from non-canon material. But stuff like that needn't be tossed aside to make an upside down Akira-class looking ship.

I agree.

And the Dadeolous-class is partly canonical as we have seen models of it, most notably on Sisko's desk in DS9.

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I just don't see that working on weekly TV. I could be wrong, but a compromise might work, something basically Daedalus with a thicker, Constellation-class-esque primary hull.

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I think they should have gone back to Star Trek's roots - stay in the Terran system for at least part of the first season and give viewers an idea of life in the 22nd century. Have the crew battle space pirates and deal with the xenophobic tendencies of certain segments of human society before they get out in space. Give the crew established backstories - I can't help but think we'd have a better perspective on Mayweather if we presented him as the "fish-out-of-water" who has to deal with staying in one place for an extended period of time. Or, barring that, why not have Archer and A.G. Robinson competing for the top spot and leave the viewers wondering who is going to be the captain of Enterprise when she goes out on her mission in season two?

I don't mind the updates to the tech so much because going back to really clunky devices would be anachronistic relative to our own time period. During TOS much of the technology they used had no precursors so the novelty of the ship, communicators, tricorders, and weapons was attractive. Now, however, we live in an age where technology is commonplace and new viewers aren't necessarily going to understand why it's supposed to be "the future" but the tech looks primitive by today's standards. The biggest mistake (in my opinion) was trying to compensate for a relative lack of sophisticated technology by bringing it in from other time periods - that's immediately putting the series at a disadvantage by implying that it's not interesting enough to carry viewers on its own.

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I would've been more interested in Enterprise if the ship was like the one sketched in the Motion Picture (like this), and really showed Earth's first meetings with races like Andorians, Telarites, Klingons, Romulans, and Orions. I also would've liked Star Trek: Horizon, seeing an early Daedalus-class ship exploring the galaxy after the founding of the Federation, maybe fighting in the Earth-Romulan war. Or a hybrid of either concept. The just needed to start with the concepts that began in Season 4.

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As much flack as the Akiraprise gets, I ready don't think a Daedalus-Class is photogenic enough to carry a show. As shallow as that sounds, that sort of thing does matter. Akiraprise is probably the best start, considering the ship was meant to eventually look like this:

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The progression makes sense.

In most ways, Season 4 should simply have been season one. If it had, it probably would have completed seven seasons.

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To be honest, looking back at it. They should have made it the NCC-1701 and its first adventures. It would've been interesting to dee the Voyages of the original Enterprise, the ships original crew. It would've been fasinating. The design of the ship should've been something early and not as close as over technology as Enterprise was. It looked more advanced than Kirk's Enterprise. Also it should've had a differnt name. Just my two cents.

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To be honest, looking back at it. They should have made it the NCC-1701 and its first adventures. It would've been interesting to dee the Voyages of the original Enterprise, the ships original crew. It would've been fasinating. The design of the ship should've been something early and not as close as over technology as Enterprise was. It looked more advanced than Kirk's Enterprise. Also it should've had a differnt name. Just my two cents.

I think that didn't happen for, among other reasons, B&B wanted to leave their own mark on the history and 1701 would have come off as playing too much in Gene's original sandbox for their taste.

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According to what I've read over the years in things like the Trek Encyclopedia, Captain April had the Enterprise on a 2 year shakedown mission followed by it's first 5 year mission. 7 years in total. Sounds like a good series plan to me. Paramount would have balked because it might have confused viewers. I don't know, were any of you confused seeing the Enterprise in Trials and Tribbulations or the Defiant in A Mirror Darkly?

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To be honest, looking back at it. They should have made it the NCC-1701 and its first adventures. It would've been interesting to dee the Voyages of the original Enterprise, the ships original crew. It would've been fasinating. The design of the ship should've been something early and not as close as over technology as Enterprise was. It looked more advanced than Kirk's Enterprise. Also it should've had a differnt name. Just my two cents.

I think that didn't happen for, among other reasons, B&B wanted to leave their own mark on the history and 1701 would have come off as playing too much in Gene's original sandbox for their taste.

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This.

The look would be all wrong for a modern series; it works for a fan film, but not a regular series meant for a general audience. It'd be a retro-Mad Men In Space show...

According to what I've read over the years in things like the Trek Encyclopedia, Captain April had the Enterprise on a 2 year shakedown mission followed by it's first 5 year mission. 7 years in total. Sounds like a good series plan to me. Paramount would have balked because it might have confused viewers. I don't know, were any of you confused seeing the Enterprise in Trials and Tribbulations or the Defiant in A Mirror Darkly?

Not confused, but that's a trick you can't do every week.

The audience can accept a one-off or two-parter that harkens back to TOS, but ST is always best when it looks forward, not backward.

I see ENT as an altered, post-First Contact timeline that (coincidentally, but loosely) aligns with TOS; it shouldn't be so 'on the nose' that we're just watching a new cast roam around TOS-lookalike sets. I can't see a modern space show wearing velour pajamas and walking around a "Cage"-era Enterprise, with giant communicators and clunky laser pistols. It would be laughed at by a non-Trekkie audience; and each new ST should be designed to bring in NEW fans, not just court older ones (one fans age and die off; new fans keep the franchise going...).

I think ENT was a good idea in principle, but I think (as others do) that S4 should've been the first season; S4 came the closest to capturing some of the feel of TOS while still making its own mark on the ST universe. Each new incarnation of Star Trek HAS to have something new to add to the franchise; it can't just be a TOS rehash on the same spaceship. There has to be an element of uniqueness, otherwise why bother? Might as well just pop in TOS DVDs and fire up the kettle corn...

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The only way that ENTERPRISE TV Series makes sense is "the alternate timeline" theory Sehlat mentioned - the events of First Contact somewhat altered the technology and history of the 22nd Century.

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Anyway, I watched the final season of ENTERPRISE during last December and January and it was one of the best TREK seasons I have ever seen, due in part to the talents of Manny Coto.

I am now reading the ENTERPRISE : ROMULAN WAR novels and having a blast - these novels should have been an ENTERPRISE movie.

Gus

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I would have been perfectly fine with a Daedalus-class starship....

I dunno, I kind of find it clunky and uninteresting to look at, but that's just me.

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I would have been perfectly fine with a Daedalus-class starship....

I dunno, I kind of find it clunky and uninteresting to look at, but that's just me.

Yeah, I get that. I mean, I do think it has a very...un-geometric look to it. But I figured that was the point. The ships didn't become "sleek and sexy" until much later. It would felt a bit more in line with "evolution" of designs. As it stands, the NX looks like it's from the 24th century. haha.

I do like that pic, though. The one that looks like a mix of the NX and Kirk's Enterprise. If it started off with that one, I'd have loved it.

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I would have been perfectly fine with a Daedalus-class starship....

I dunno, I kind of find it clunky and uninteresting to look at, but that's just me.

Yeah, I get that. I mean, I do think it has a very...un-geometric look to it. But I figured that was the point. The ships didn't become "sleek and sexy" until much later. It would felt a bit more in line with "evolution" of designs. As it stands, the NX looks like it's from the 24th century. haha.

I do like that pic, though. The one that looks like a mix of the NX and Kirk's Enterprise. If it started off with that one, I'd have loved it.

Pretty sure that NX mod was supposed to happen in season 5.

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I would have been perfectly fine with a Daedalus-class starship....

I dunno, I kind of find it clunky and uninteresting to look at, but that's just me.

Yeah, I get that. I mean, I do think it has a very...un-geometric look to it. But I figured that was the point. The ships didn't become "sleek and sexy" until much later. It would felt a bit more in line with "evolution" of designs. As it stands, the NX looks like it's from the 24th century. haha.

I do like that pic, though. The one that looks like a mix of the NX and Kirk's Enterprise. If it started off with that one, I'd have loved it.

Pretty sure that NX mod was supposed to happen in season 5.

Really? I thought that was just a fan-drawn picture. A "what if..." kind of thing. They would have literally transformed the ship? That's so cool... Dammit, now I want a season 5. haha

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