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I remember reading that Brannon Braga originally wanted to start the show like First Flight where they wouldn't start exploring until the second season but the studio told him "No,we want you to get them exploring right away" just with them wanting to cancel the show half-way through season 2. I think Brannon should've told them "Now hang on a minute. We wanted to do the show differently but we agreed to do it your way and now you want to cancel it in the middle of season 2?"

So, how would the show have been if it was done the way Brannon wanted to do it? For example, how is Hoshi an expert in exo-linguistics when at the time they had only met two alien races? Maybe we could've seen her as a translator during diplomatic negotiations and be told that she has a knack for picking up new languages.

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I remember reading that Brannon Braga originally wanted to start the show like First Flight where they wouldn't start exploring until the second season but the studio told him "No,we want you to get them exploring right away" just with them wanting to cancel the show half-way through season 2. I think Brannon should've told them "Now hang on a minute. We wanted to do the show differently but we agreed to do it your way and now you want to cancel it in the middle of season 2?"

So, how would the show have been if it was done the way Brannon wanted to do it? For example, how is Hoshi an expert in exo-linguistics when at the time they had only met two alien races? Maybe we could've seen her as a translator during diplomatic negotiations and be told that she has a knack for picking up new languages.

I'd have to read up more on Berman's ideas but personally I would've preferred it if they'd had S4 as their starting point (avoiding all that Xindi-temporal cold war crap and just get on with the business of being a prequel). I'd have also liked the ship to be a Daedalus class (maybe the first or second one commissioned?). Would've been a nice piece of 'ship porn' for the old timer ST fans like myself... :P

The idea of waiting several seasons for a ship to launch seems needlessly protracted. But again, I need to hit Memory Alpha or some other site and read up on his original idea.

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I think it would have been needlessly boring, a whole bunch of techno-jargon, a bunch of political crap with the Vulcans withholding tech, very little actually happening. We've already seen the first warp in First Contact, no need to drag that out. Also they would have run into the problem of how to portray future Earth, but if they were committed to doing that, it would have been interesting to see how the world government takes shape. Also good point on Hoshi, I have no idea how she would learn these languages so quickly and with so little immersion. Just another thing about Enterprise that made little sense. The Temporal cold war stuff could have been moved to later in the series, when ENT's position in lore was more secure. We all hear how important their ship is to history, but we haven't seen anything to that point to indicate why that was the case. I'd have much rather seen the war vs the Romulans earlier on.

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Also good point on Hoshi, I have no idea how she would learn these languages so quickly and with so little immersion. Just another thing about Enterprise that made little sense.

Actually (and ironically) I see "Hoshis" on the internet all the time; people who've never left their home country (or home city) and speak a foreign language fluently just by learning it online or (in the case of English) by watching American or British TV shows. I've known people from Russia, Germany, the Netherlands and Finland who write perfect English (even down to current slang), mostly from the internet. This is a phenomenon I see more and more of all the time. And when I've heard some of them speak (via videos posted on Youtube), their American or English accents are nearly 'spy-level' good. Seriously.

Hoshi strikes me as the type who probably learned most of her alien languages 'online' as well (or whatever the 22nd century equivalent of the internet would be). Her story actually makes a lot of sense to me....

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Also good point on Hoshi, I have no idea how she would learn these languages so quickly and with so little immersion. Just another thing about Enterprise that made little sense.

Actually (and ironically) I see "Hoshis" on the internet all the time; people who've never left their home country (or home city) and speak a foreign language fluently just by learning it online or (in the case of English) by watching American or British TV shows. I've known people from Russia, Germany, the Netherlands and Finland who write perfect English (even down to current slang), mostly from the internet. This is a phenomenon I see more and more of all the time. And when I've heard some of them speak (via videos posted on Youtube), their American or English accents are nearly 'spy-level' good. Seriously.

Hoshi strikes me as the type who probably learned most of her alien languages 'online' as well (or whatever the 22nd century equivalent of the internet would be). Her story actually makes a lot of sense to me....

I don't think they had much if any contact with the Klingons, and here she was trying to pick it up on the fly with no context. Sure it can be done, but it seemed like she shouldn't have been able to without more contact.

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... needlessly boring, a whole bunch of techno-jargon, a bunch of political crap with the Vulcans withholding tech, very little actually happening.

Yep, that describes the first seasons of Enterprise pretty well I would say.

I'd have much rather seen the war vs the Romulans earlier on.

This.

If you have to do a prequel set before Kirk, then the Romulan war is such an obvious place to start that you really have to wonder who in their right mind deliberately avoided it. Same with the founding of the UFP which was only touched on a couple of times. We didn't need to see new alien races that nobody cards about (Denobulans, Suliban, Xindi etc.), we wanted to see how the Star Trek universe we know and love was born. If they weren't going to do this, then why bother doing a prequel?!

The whole concept made absolutely no sense whatsoever.

They should have cancelled it in season 2 like they wanted to.

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I don't think they had much if any contact with the Klingons, and here she was trying to pick it up on the fly with no context. Sure it can be done, but it seemed like she shouldn't have been able to without more contact.

There ARE people who are able to pick up a language instantly by just hearing a few words. Trek itself (or rather, Jean-Luc) even mentioned one, so, they are present in the Trek universe as well: Commander Flaherty.

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Also good point on Hoshi, I have no idea how she would learn these languages so quickly and with so little immersion. Just another thing about Enterprise that made little sense.

Actually (and ironically) I see "Hoshis" on the internet all the time; people who've never left their home country (or home city) and speak a foreign language fluently just by learning it online or (in the case of English) by watching American or British TV shows. I've known people from Russia, Germany, the Netherlands and Finland who write perfect English (even down to current slang), mostly from the internet. This is a phenomenon I see more and more of all the time. And when I've heard some of them speak (via videos posted on Youtube), their American or English accents are nearly 'spy-level' good. Seriously.

Hoshi strikes me as the type who probably learned most of her alien languages 'online' as well (or whatever the 22nd century equivalent of the internet would be). Her story actually makes a lot of sense to me....

I don't think they had much if any contact with the Klingons, and here she was trying to pick it up on the fly with no context. Sure it can be done, but it seemed like she shouldn't have been able to without more contact.

I still get a laugh out of the scene in sickbay in Broken Bow when Archer tells Hoshi to tell Krang to shut up and she yells "SHUT UP"!

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I don't think they had much if any contact with the Klingons, and here she was trying to pick it up on the fly with no context. Sure it can be done, but it seemed like she shouldn't have been able to without more contact.

There ARE people who are able to pick up a language instantly by just hearing a few words. Trek itself (or rather, Jean-Luc) even mentioned one, so, they are present in the Trek universe as well: Commander Flaherty.

I had to Memory Alpha that one.... I'd almost forgotten. He was going to be Riker's new 'number one' on the Aries. He supposedly spoke forty languages fluently (mon dieu!)

There are people that linguistically gifted right here in the present. And Hoshi did use a roughshod version of a UT in "Broken Bow"; it allowed her to lock onto the syntax of a spoken language, but she kind of 'fills in the blanks' with her own talent.

I'm constantly amazed at people like that; I struggle with English, rusty French and a bit of Russian... even my own dad spoke/wrote in four. I feel like such an ignoramus sometimes.... :P

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I don't think they had much if any contact with the Klingons, and here she was trying to pick it up on the fly with no context. Sure it can be done, but it seemed like she shouldn't have been able to without more contact.

There ARE people who are able to pick up a language instantly by just hearing a few words. Trek itself (or rather, Jean-Luc) even mentioned one, so, they are present in the Trek universe as well: Commander Flaherty.

I had to Memory Alpha that one.... I'd almost forgotten. He was going to be Riker's new 'number one' on the Aries. He supposedly spoke forty languages fluently (mon dieu!)

There are people that linguistically gifted right here in the present. And Hoshi did use a roughshod version of a UT in "Broken Bow"; it allowed her to lock onto the syntax of a spoken language, but she kind of 'fills in the blanks' with her own talent.

I'm constantly amazed at people like that; I struggle with English, rusty French and a bit of Russian... even my own dad spoke/wrote in four. I feel like such an ignoramus sometimes.... :P

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That's true, she did have the UT. The UT itself though shouldn't work as well as we see though, like picking up on the first sentence spoken with little to no context, but that's just something we accept as Trek fans.

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There ARE people who are able to pick up a language instantly by just hearing a few words. Trek itself (or rather, Jean-Luc) even mentioned one, so, they are present in the Trek universe as well: Commander Flaherty.

I had to Memory Alpha that one.... I'd almost forgotten. He was going to be Riker's new 'number one' on the Aries. He supposedly spoke forty languages fluently (mon dieu!)

Yeah, and he was able to speak them after only hearing them once. Now THAT is a gift. I've always assumed Hoshi has similar talents, not quite as advanced as Flaherty, but somewhat similar. (I remember Flaherty only because Jean-Luc mentions him, though. AND he does so in a conversation that he has with Riker IN RIKER'S QUARTERS. Which is insanely rare.)

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I remember reading that Brannon Braga originally wanted to start the show like First Flight where they wouldn't start exploring until the second season but the studio told him "No,we want you to get them exploring right away" just with them wanting to cancel the show half-way through season 2. I think Brannon should've told them "Now hang on a minute. We wanted to do the show differently but we agreed to do it your way and now you want to cancel it in the middle of season 2?"

Veto.

I'm very open to the overall format of Trek. I had no problem with DS9 being set on a station and I would have been fine without the Defiant, though I like it and am glad it was there. But, however you want to go about doing it, Star Trek is about the exploration of space.

So, what, a season and a half of political back and forth as the Humans try to get the Vulcans to let them go? Star Trek: The West Wing? Now, I might watch a politically based Star Trek show if Aaron Sorkin was going to write it, but not Brannon Braga.

While the suits were totally wrong about the necessity of the Temporal Cold War (I have no idea how various factions would realistically conduct such a thing without utterly destroying all of time in the first place) they were completely right about this. I would not have stuck with a Trek that took a year and a half to see space.

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I remember reading that Brannon Braga originally wanted to start the show like First Flight where they wouldn't start exploring until the second season but the studio told him "No,we want you to get them exploring right away" just with them wanting to cancel the show half-way through season 2. I think Brannon should've told them "Now hang on a minute. We wanted to do the show differently but we agreed to do it your way and now you want to cancel it in the middle of season 2?"

Veto.

I'm very open to the overall format of Trek. I had no problem with DS9 being set on a station and I would have been fine without the Defiant, though I like it and am glad it was there. But, however you want to go about doing it, Star Trek is about the exploration of space.

So, what, a season and a half of political back and forth as the Humans try to get the Vulcans to let them go? Star Trek: The West Wing? Now, I might watch a politically based Star Trek show if Aaron Sorkin was going to write it, but not Brannon Braga.

While the suits were totally wrong about the necessity of the Temporal Cold War (I have no idea how various factions would realistically conduct such a thing without utterly destroying all of time in the first place) they were completely right about this. I would not have stuck with a Trek that took a year and a half to see space.

Same here. I'm one of the few that actually likes ENT more or less in it's entirety, but I don't believe I could have sat out 2 whole seasons waiting for them finally make it to space. Trek is about exploring at it's core, and a bunch of whining humans bawling about no Vulan given tech would have been utter shameful and dreadful.

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Same here. I'm one of the few that actually likes ENT more or less in it's entirety, but I don't believe I could have sat out 2 whole seasons waiting for them finally make it to space. Trek is about exploring at it's core, and a bunch of whining humans bawling about no Vulan given tech would have been utter shameful and dreadful.

It is by no means perfect, ("A Night in Sickbay," "These Are the Voyages") but I find it has aged pretty well for me.

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Same here. I'm one of the few that actually likes ENT more or less in it's entirety, but I don't believe I could have sat out 2 whole seasons waiting for them finally make it to space. Trek is about exploring at it's core, and a bunch of whining humans bawling about no Vulan given tech would have been utter shameful and dreadful.

It is by no means perfect, ("A Night in Sickbay," "These Are the Voyages") but I find it has aged pretty well for me.

It wasn't until I discovered Trekweb that I found out there was a huge backlash against Enterprise. I was a little surprised because I actually enjoy it more than Voyager and TNG and enjoy it as much as DS9.

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I won't say I like it nearly to the extent of DS9, but I like it far more than Voyager. Voyager is just such a paint by numbers attempt to copy TNG with seemingly no understanding of why TNG worked to begin with.

The fact that these same people are largely responsible for TNG makes that cluelessness all the more baffling.

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I won't say I like it nearly to the extent of DS9, but I like it far more than Voyager. Voyager is just such a paint by numbers attempt to copy TNG with seemingly no understanding of why TNG worked to begin with.

The fact that these same people are largely responsible for TNG makes that cluelessness all the more baffling.

Prometheus, the only thing I can figure is that by the time of Voyager Gene Roddenberry was gone. I know that the first few seasons of TNG was almost TOS II but it just seems that after TNG TPTB wanted a ship series to counterbalance the darker DS9. They had sent TNG to the theaters (a huge mistake as it turned out) and needed something, for the lack of a better term, familiar and comfortable.

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I won't say I like it nearly to the extent of DS9, but I like it far more than Voyager. Voyager is just such a paint by numbers attempt to copy TNG with seemingly no understanding of why TNG worked to begin with.

The fact that these same people are largely responsible for TNG makes that cluelessness all the more baffling.

Prometheus, the only thing I can figure is that by the time of Voyager Gene Roddenberry was gone. I know that the first few seasons of TNG was almost TOS II but it just seems that after TNG TPTB wanted a ship series to counterbalance the darker DS9. They had sent TNG to the theaters (a huge mistake as it turned out) and needed something, for the lack of a better term, familiar and comfortable.

That makes as much sense as anything else I could think of.

The only thing that made it familiar and comfortable for me was the actual physical ship. That problem was that, save two people (The Doctor and Seven) it was populated with people I couldn't stand to serve with, much less live with for the rest of my life on an 80 year trip home.

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I won't say I like it nearly to the extent of DS9, but I like it far more than Voyager. Voyager is just such a paint by numbers attempt to copy TNG with seemingly no understanding of why TNG worked to begin with.

The fact that these same people are largely responsible for TNG makes that cluelessness all the more baffling.

ENT ranks somewhere in the middle for me; like is better than TAS (only slightly, though) and far more than VGR (which is largely crap), but not as much as TOS, DS9 or TNG.

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Not sure if this has been said yet, but Dominic Keating talked about this recently. How originally, the entire first season would have been more or less Earth-bound, and a lot more like ER in space, or some such, where they went out to respond to close-by crisis or something? I dunno, it's a half-memory.

Anyway...

Brannon Braga isn't someone whose artistic or creative vision I put much faith into. Nor should anyone else.

I don't think a prequel should have been done. If they where dead-set to do one though, they could have done it far better.

I've mulled over it for a while, and here's what they could/should have done, IMHO.

Start the show in 2161, the Federation has just been brought about. Stick it on a Daedalus-Class ship. Yes, I know, a lot of people dislike the design; but it was close to being the original one and makes sense and is historically timed and would be neat. Have a lot of the crew have been former Earth military from around the globe, with the Captain even being called his prior rank - Colonel - by one of the crew who he's friends with. Have there be a bit of discomfort between them all at only having been united as a world for 10 years. Have an Australian - the last govt to join the world gov according to TNG - and have him still be at odds with the whole thing, but he comes around over the run of things. Have only one or two of the crew be actual Starfleet academy graduates since the Academy is new, and have their be some conflict between them and the others. Maybe even the XO is academy, the captain isn't, and at first they don't get along because the XO was past over for the job; but over time (starting w/the pilot) realizes that there was merit to choosing someone with more first-hand experience over someone with the right degree. They all realize in the pilot that what makes them different and disagree makes them stronger as a whole; but it takes time (a season or two) to really mesh.

As for the technology, make it all look big and blocky - pre TOS. And explain why it's so when our 20th/21st century tech is so slim as this: it's all ruggidized and hardened against "everything that might be out there" - radiation, particles, anomalies. The PADDs and consoles and tricorders and weapons are all over-sized because they have shielding inside so they'll work in any environment. That while a civilian communicator can be the size of a coin, a Starfleet or military one can't because it's got to work beyond just Earth. This would help to make a lot of sense of why TOS was still liked that and why this show is, rather than making no sense at having tiny thin equipment and consoles 100 years before and 100 years after but not during TOS.

Make the transporter truly ominous and dangerous. So much so that it's a transporter chamber. A separate room for the pad than the consoles so if something goes wrong the operator isn't killed or injured. Glass partition so he can see what he's doing, but it's still such. Have the process take 15-20 seconds instead of 3-5. Have it be uncomfortable. Have people get sick and throw up sometimes when they come out of it, or disoriented and faint. Have accidents, lose crewmen. Hype up the phobia of it to the point where they use it, but are all like McCoy about it. Why? Because a technology like that should be scary as hell until it's been around for a long time, and because it really makes how dependent and oft-used it is in TOS and beyond amazing.

Have the engine room require hazard suits like you saw in TWOK; yes they didn't have them in TOS, but it makes sense that the engine area would be more dangerous. Have the time between journeys that elapses be weeks or months; do one captain's log where they start off and when they arrive it's a month later and make it clear such has happened.

Of the crew, have an Andorian and/or a Tellarite aboard as "exchange" officers. At this point have the other species still have their own things and be hesitant about one unified force like Starfleet. No Vulcans so Spock is still really first; no work-arounds like T'Pol. Make the rest of the crew human, but make them truly diverse. Give people/countries we haven't seen a chance to shine. Have someone from the continent of South America, maybe Brazil as the largest nation there. Have an Australian as I said. Have another European from beyond the UK/France - a German, but from New Berlin on the moon. Have someone from India or the area abouts. Have a Canadian instead of another American; have an honest to gods full fledged hispanic too! Most important, cast them with actors born of those areas! Don't do like Chakotay or Picard and cast one nationality to play another. Find a German actor, a Brazlian actor, an Australian actor. They exist! Hire them.

Don't have the ship be the Enterprise. Have her be something else. Have her registry though, as NCC-170. And her shuttles follow the TOS tradition of 170/1, 170/2. And have that shuttle 1, or 170/1, be a lucky sturdy shuttle that saves them again and again. It's a bit tongue-in-cheek, a bit of an homage, and a bit of a 4th wall breaker but so what? It's cute.

Have her use missiles and bullets as primary and rarely pull out the lasers - yes, lasers, not phasers - when needed. Have her shields be good for one or two incoming shots before they're relying on hull and deflectors. Have her have nukes aboard, or a more modern equivalent, but only a handful. 4 or 6. They're also controversial with many believing they shouldn't be aboard, but the risk of not having them incase needed being too great.

Have them meet and discover all the species we've come to know and love over the show. Bolians, Bajoran, Trill, Cardassian, Betazoid, Nausicians, Risans,

NO Klingons. NO Romulans. Mentions of the Romulans, or the war that most of the crew are veterans of; but keep to canon on those two big baddies otherwise.

I could go on but what's the point? It wouldn't have been hard to make a good series with drama and conflict and new things if they'd tried. Instead they did what they wanted and tried to re-invent the wheel. :P

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Not sure if this has been said yet, but Dominic Keating talked about this recently. How originally, the entire first season would have been more or less Earth-bound, and a lot more like ER in space, or some such, where they went out to respond to close-by crisis or something? I dunno, it's a half-memory.

Anyway...

Brannon Braga isn't someone whose artistic or creative vision I put much faith into. Nor should anyone else.

I don't think a prequel should have been done. If they where dead-set to do one though, they could have done it far better.

I've mulled over it for a while, and here's what they could/should have done, IMHO.

Start the show in 2161, the Federation has just been brought about. Stick it on a Daedalus-Class ship. Yes, I know, a lot of people dislike the design; but it was close to being the original one and makes sense and is historically timed and would be neat. Have a lot of the crew have been former Earth military from around the globe, with the Captain even being called his prior rank - Colonel - by one of the crew who he's friends with. Have there be a bit of discomfort between them all at only having been united as a world for 10 years. Have an Australian - the last govt to join the world gov according to TNG - and have him still be at odds with the whole thing, but he comes around over the run of things. Have only one or two of the crew be actual Starfleet academy graduates since the Academy is new, and have their be some conflict between them and the others. Maybe even the XO is academy, the captain isn't, and at first they don't get along because the XO was past over for the job; but over time (starting w/the pilot) realizes that there was merit to choosing someone with more first-hand experience over someone with the right degree. They all realize in the pilot that what makes them different and disagree makes them stronger as a whole; but it takes time (a season or two) to really mesh.

As for the technology, make it all look big and blocky - pre TOS. And explain why it's so when our 20th/21st century tech is so slim as this: it's all ruggidized and hardened against "everything that might be out there" - radiation, particles, anomalies. The PADDs and consoles and tricorders and weapons are all over-sized because they have shielding inside so they'll work in any environment. That while a civilian communicator can be the size of a coin, a Starfleet or military one can't because it's got to work beyond just Earth. This would help to make a lot of sense of why TOS was still liked that and why this show is, rather than making no sense at having tiny thin equipment and consoles 100 years before and 100 years after but not during TOS.

Make the transporter truly ominous and dangerous. So much so that it's a transporter chamber. A separate room for the pad than the consoles so if something goes wrong the operator isn't killed or injured. Glass partition so he can see what he's doing, but it's still such. Have the process take 15-20 seconds instead of 3-5. Have it be uncomfortable. Have people get sick and throw up sometimes when they come out of it, or disoriented and faint. Have accidents, lose crewmen. Hype up the phobia of it to the point where they use it, but are all like McCoy about it. Why? Because a technology like that should be scary as hell until it's been around for a long time, and because it really makes how dependent and oft-used it is in TOS and beyond amazing.

Have the engine room require hazard suits like you saw in TWOK; yes they didn't have them in TOS, but it makes sense that the engine area would be more dangerous. Have the time between journeys that elapses be weeks or months; do one captain's log where they start off and when they arrive it's a month later and make it clear such has happened.

Of the crew, have an Andorian and/or a Tellarite aboard as "exchange" officers. At this point have the other species still have their own things and be hesitant about one unified force like Starfleet. No Vulcans so Spock is still really first; no work-arounds like T'Pol. Make the rest of the crew human, but make them truly diverse. Give people/countries we haven't seen a chance to shine. Have someone from the continent of South America, maybe Brazil as the largest nation there. Have an Australian as I said. Have another European from beyond the UK/France - a German, but from New Berlin on the moon. Have someone from India or the area abouts. Have a Canadian instead of another American; have an honest to gods full fledged hispanic too! Most important, cast them with actors born of those areas! Don't do like Chakotay or Picard and cast one nationality to play another. Find a German actor, a Brazlian actor, an Australian actor. They exist! Hire them.

Don't have the ship be the Enterprise. Have her be something else. Have her registry though, as NCC-170. And her shuttles follow the TOS tradition of 170/1, 170/2. And have that shuttle 1, or 170/1, be a lucky sturdy shuttle that saves them again and again. It's a bit tongue-in-cheek, a bit of an homage, and a bit of a 4th wall breaker but so what? It's cute.

Have her use missiles and bullets as primary and rarely pull out the lasers - yes, lasers, not phasers - when needed. Have her shields be good for one or two incoming shots before they're relying on hull and deflectors. Have her have nukes aboard, or a more modern equivalent, but only a handful. 4 or 6. They're also controversial with many believing they shouldn't be aboard, but the risk of not having them incase needed being too great.

Have them meet and discover all the species we've come to know and love over the show. Bolians, Bajoran, Trill, Cardassian, Betazoid, Nausicians, Risans,

NO Klingons. NO Romulans. Mentions of the Romulans, or the war that most of the crew are veterans of; but keep to canon on those two big baddies otherwise.

I could go on but what's the point? It wouldn't have been hard to make a good series with drama and conflict and new things if they'd tried. Instead they did what they wanted and tried to re-invent the wheel. :P

I really like this....

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It has just a tiny bit of "Space: Above and Beyond" (another show I liked) vibe to it, but with enough familiar ST-optimism as well.

Nicely done...

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I'm with those who don't have much faith in Brannon Braga. I mean he did write the occasional nice TNG episode and whatnot, but... that's basically all. IMO, both he and Berman should have given up Trek at some point. They simply missed the exit and repeated themselves over and over again in both VOY and ENT.

And I like Frontier's idea a lot, too. If I were into writing stuff about that era, I totally would steal it and turn it into a "how Enterprise should have been" fan fic, haha.

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I like Frontier's more 'primitive' approach; even down to extremely scientifically valid explanations for the 'clunkier' tech we see in TOS (the Romulan Wars ENT books went a similar route; saying that the Daedalus' clunkier tech was a result of the need for both faster ship production for the war, as well as a need to make them 'hack-proof', ala new Battlestar Galactica's retro-tech). The space science geek in me is pleased... :thumbup:

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I'll be the odd man out and say I wish they did stay earth-bound for the most part.

A) We don't need another damned Enterprise.

B) This show could have been the one to finally explain how the UFP works. The formation of Starfleet. Archer and his people should have been part of UESA like they brought up in TOS. I want more than Trip's throw-away line that humanity got over all their problems in a few decades. SHOW don't TELL.

C) More primitive weapons are a plus.

D) Daedalus-class DAMMIT.

E) Have it take place during those decades where humanity is getting their collective "stuff" together. Show me what happened to religion, to politics, to our economy, to our society. How do xenophobes deal with aliens and their "mixing" with us? Show the battle to form Starfleet and the inevitable ground work for the upcoming Romulan-Earth War.

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I'll be the odd man out and say I wish they did stay earth-bound for the most part.

A) We don't need another damned Enterprise.

B) This show could have been the one to finally explain how the UFP works. The formation of Starfleet. Archer and his people should have been part of UESA like they brought up in TOS. I want more than Trip's throw-away line that humanity got over all their problems in a few decades. SHOW don't TELL.

C) More primitive weapons are a plus.

D) Daedalus-class DAMMIT.

E) Have it take place during those decades where humanity is getting their collective "stuff" together. Show me what happened to religion, to politics, to our economy, to our society. How do xenophobes deal with aliens and their "mixing" with us? Show the battle to form Starfleet and the inevitable ground work for the upcoming Romulan-Earth War.

I agree with (A) very much so, and some of your other points (as I'm engineered to, of course :P:laugh: ), but I also think you could've shown some of that '2nd renaissance' of Earth and have a ship show. It could've been a different kind of Star Trek if you had a show that cuts between a ship in space and what happens on the ground; like Apollo 13. A13 wouldn't have been quite as fully rounded a movie if it focused on Jim Lovell and his crew ONLY.

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