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Do You have a Trek Guilty Pleasure?

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I for one think it's great to have so many folks who like "unpopular" Trek stuff. Makes me feel less awkward about being a walking unpopular TNG opinion.

* hugging my copy of TAS * :P

I honestly am not sure if TAS is really that unpopular fandom-wise. I'd say it's more a "don't care much about it being there in the first place" thing, not downright hostility towards it. It certainly isn't frowned upon in the same way The Final Frontier or TNG's first season are. IMO, of course.

Hm, at least that's more or less my opinion towards TAS. I don't hate it at all, just find it hard to watch. Mostly because of the same single piece of music that is played all the time, in all situations, over and over again. Makes me crazy.

I've also never managed to get into it. It just isn't something that interests me a lot. I have seen a few episodes but that's all I care to see. I don't hate it either, though. It's just not for me - and this kind of opinion is one that I have seen quite often in the fandom. Some fans view it as an addition, others watch the occasional episode, but that's basically it, there aren't many who are HUGE fans, but there also aren't many who DESPISE it. I've never gotten a general "TAS is completely hated" vibe.

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I for one think it's great to have so many folks who like "unpopular" Trek stuff. Makes me feel less awkward about being a walking unpopular TNG opinion.

* hugging my copy of TAS * :P

I honestly am not sure if TAS is really that unpopular fandom-wise. I'd say it's more a "don't care much about it being there in the first place" thing, not downright hostility towards it. It certainly isn't frowned upon in the same way The Final Frontier or TNG's first season are. IMO, of course.

Hm, at least that's more or less my opinion towards TAS. I don't hate it at all, just find it hard to watch. Mostly because of the same single piece of music that is played all the time, in all situations, over and over again. Makes me crazy.

I've also never managed to get into it. It just isn't something that interests me a lot. I have seen a few episodes but that's all I care to see. I don't hate it either, though. It's just not for me - and this kind of opinion is one that I have seen quite often in the fandom. Some fans view it as an addition, others watch the occasional episode, but that's basically it, there aren't many who are HUGE fans, but there also aren't many who DESPISE it. I've never gotten a general "TAS is completely hated" vibe.

But it does tend to have that 'ugly stepchild' vibe to it.... :P

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I would love to see TAS redone with better animation, and maybe updating that music. Take the actors' voices, and redo the stories with better technology.

Some of the TAS stories were quite good.

Of course, you're talking to someone who feels that Trek's best return to television should be in animated form.

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I would love to see TAS redone with better animation, and maybe updating that music. Take the actors' voices, and redo the stories with better technology.

Some of the TAS stories were quite good.

Of course, you're talking to someone who feels that Trek's best return to television should be in animated form.

I've always said I'd love to see TAS get a head-to-toe redux retaining only the voice talent and nothing else. More TOS sound/music cues would be nice as well.

Although I would still like to have the originals available as well (and not 'forgotten' like pre-New Hope/non-special edition Star Wars); the original TAS was the one I first fell in love with as a kid, so I would hate to think it were just gone forever.

I like what the blu rays did with TOS-R; you could toggle back and forth between watching new and old FX. Ideally, a new remastered edition of TAS could do likewise...

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That would work too. Both versions should be available to all.

Ultimately, I would love to see a new TAS, with major story arcs that encompass all of Star Trek, including the prime universe. I think it should be canon, and transition into the prime universe so it doesn't affect what can be done in the movies.

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That would work too. Both versions should be available to all.

Ultimately, I would love to see a new TAS, with major story arcs that encompass all of Star Trek, including the prime universe. I think it should be canon, and transition into the prime universe so it doesn't affect what can be done in the movies.

TAS is canon to me... canon can be whatever the audience wants it to be. :biggrin:

ST has mangled that around so much (the 1990s Eugenics Wars, for example) that it doesn't really matter, IMO. It's up to the audience to like what they like and ignore what they don't.

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I'd love to see a "remastered"/"redone" TAS too. :)

It would probably even be enough for me to replace that TAS music with music from TOS for it to make a huuuuuge difference.

If I had the necessary time and skills, I'd probably even try to do that myself...

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I wish TAS was canon. Portions of it have been made canon through live action stuff, but GR did what he did.

It's unfortunate.

The Eugenics Wars WERE in the 1990s. To the extent that was contradicted by 24th century shows, those latter shows are simply wrong.

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I would love to see TAS redone in the style and quality we have seen in "Batman: The Animated Series" or "Gargoyles". (Shows in the 1990s had a hellova lot better quality than shows today. No one wants to spend money on hand-drawn animation anymore. I was watching my TAS set lastnight. Theres actually more animation in TAS than in He-man 10 years later. (same animation studio: FILMATION).

Star Trek V is the first star trek movie or VHS anything I ever owned. Corbomite Manuever being my 2nd, Balance of Terror being my 3rd, Search for spock being my 4th, the wrath of khan being my 5th, motion picture my 6th, the cage my 7th, voyage home my 8th. Thats over 2 years. So for 2 years star trek vhs tapes were the only vhs tapes i owned.

Is it bad that I think TMP is the most true to sci-fi of any Star Trek? And to people who nag about the long FX sequences, if I were director, they be twice as long :P

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for me its Deep space nine.

I originally watched it sporadically as it came out, later down the line i set out to watch it start to finish.

I went back a year or 2 later and did it all again, I now have watched it start to finish every six month to a year on average.

Did something similar with enterprise and voyager, TNG a little different as some nights i just take random episodes and view them as they are nor arc like , in the way ds9 is.

I also enjoy doing the photoshop trek stuff as well

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I wish TAS was canon. Portions of it have been made canon through live action stuff, but GR did what he did.

It's unfortunate.

The Eugenics Wars WERE in the 1990s. To the extent that was contradicted by 24th century shows, those latter shows are simply wrong.

Spock characterized the Eugenics Wars as 'the last of your so-called world wars'; implying that the Eugenics Wars were WW3. "First Contact" obliterates that.

So again I say; canon is whatever the hell we fans want it to be. I choose to say TAS happened? Then for me, it happened. This isn't 'real' history; it's fiction. It's as malleable as play-dough.

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which would mean the Enterprise carries balloon dummies of itself as decoys......ok dude, I could never accept that into canon...nor could I accept the Uss Bonavature...or whatever as the first starship with warp drive....Now the episode with Spock going back in time to see himself as a child, everything in that episode could be canon. It was very well thought out.

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which would mean the Enterprise carries balloon dummies of itself as decoys......ok dude, I could never accept that into canon...nor could I accept the Uss Bonavature...or whatever as the first starship with warp drive....Now the episode with Spock going back in time to see himself as a child, everything in that episode could be canon. It was very well thought out.

What about the Enterprise reaching the galactic center in 2 hours in STV? Did that happen? Or what about the Space Hippies? All onscreen. All happened, as far as I'm concerned. None of this is 'real' anyway, so who cares?

You can have whatever head canon you wish, and so can I.

;)

BTW, the events of TAS' "Yesteryear" (some of which were chronicled in ST09) apparently are 'canon' too; Spock's running into the mountains was also referenced by a dying Sarek in "Unification" as well.

It's all malleable. As for the Bonaventure being 'the first' with warp drive? Maybe she was the first with contemporary warp drive? Who cares? It's not the first time ST has had to furiously back-pedal with its own 'history.'

Again, I reference WW3 and the Eugenics Wars; in TOS they were one and the same (and in TOS' "Return to Tomorrow" Kirk also suggested that an atomic war was avoided on Earth altogether).

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I guess I would go with Gamesters of Triskelion.

The episode never makes any top ten lists in the general public, but it's one of my favorite episodes.

For all the great messages Star Trek gave, and for all the great writing, and this episode had some of that, there's just something fun about Kirk just kicking ass.

And that was the crux of the episode. Kirk just kicked ass.

On an after note to that episode...the actress who played Kirk's training Thrall, Angelique Pettyjohn, made several porn movies afterwards. I guess the Jiffypop outfit and Kirk's wooing did a number on her!!!

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I guess I would go with Gamesters of Triskelion.

The episode never makes any top ten lists in the general public, but it's one of my favorite episodes.

For all the great messages Star Trek gave, and for all the great writing, and this episode had some of that, there's just something fun about Kirk just kicking ass.

And that was the crux of the episode. Kirk just kicked ass.

On an after note to that episode...the actress who played Kirk's training Thrall, Angelique Pettyjohn, made several porn movies afterwards. I guess the Jiffypop outfit and Kirk's wooing did a number on her!!!

She also died of cervical cancer in 1992. RIP, Shahna... :(

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On an after note to that episode...the actress who played Kirk's training Thrall, Angelique Pettyjohn, made several porn movies afterwards. I guess the Jiffypop outfit and Kirk's wooing did a number on her!!!

Wow. Thats news to me. But also, did you know the enterprise stars in a lot of Sehlat's shipporn galleries? :P

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On an after note to that episode...the actress who played Kirk's training Thrall, Angelique Pettyjohn, made several porn movies afterwards. I guess the Jiffypop outfit and Kirk's wooing did a number on her!!!

Wow. Thats news to me. But also, did you know the enterprise stars in a lot of Sehlat's shipporn galleries? :P

Ship porn... truly the safest sex out there. :P:giggle:

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On an after note to that episode...the actress who played Kirk's training Thrall, Angelique Pettyjohn, made several porn movies afterwards. I guess the Jiffypop outfit and Kirk's wooing did a number on her!!!

Wow. Thats news to me. But also, did you know the enterprise stars in a lot of Sehlat's shipporn galleries? :P

Ship porn... truly the safest sex out there. :P:giggle:

A talented writer can turn ANYTHING into an NC-17 rated story. I've seen shuttle/shuttle slash. :P

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On an after note to that episode...the actress who played Kirk's training Thrall, Angelique Pettyjohn, made several porn movies afterwards. I guess the Jiffypop outfit and Kirk's wooing did a number on her!!!

Wow. Thats news to me. But also, did you know the enterprise stars in a lot of Sehlat's shipporn galleries? :P

Ship porn... truly the safest sex out there. :P:giggle:

A talented writer can turn ANYTHING into an NC-17 rated story. I've seen shuttle/shuttle slash. :P

insurrection0226.jpg

Sorry... I couldn't resist. :giggle:

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On an after note to that episode...the actress who played Kirk's training Thrall, Angelique Pettyjohn, made several porn movies afterwards. I guess the Jiffypop outfit and Kirk's wooing did a number on her!!!

Wow. Thats news to me. But also, did you know the enterprise stars in a lot of Sehlat's shipporn galleries? :P

Ship porn... truly the safest sex out there. :P:giggle:

A talented writer can turn ANYTHING into an NC-17 rated story. I've seen shuttle/shuttle slash. :P

insurrection0226.jpg

Sorry... I couldn't resist. :giggle:

Stuff like that is exactly what I was talking about. :P

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On an after note to that episode...the actress who played Kirk's training Thrall, Angelique Pettyjohn, made several porn movies afterwards. I guess the Jiffypop outfit and Kirk's wooing did a number on her!!!

Wow. Thats news to me. But also, did you know the enterprise stars in a lot of Sehlat's shipporn galleries? :P

Ship porn... truly the safest sex out there. :P:giggle:

A talented writer can turn ANYTHING into an NC-17 rated story. I've seen shuttle/shuttle slash. :P

insurrection0226.jpg

Sorry... I couldn't resist. :giggle:

Stuff like that is exactly what I was talking about. :P

Looks like the TNG movies already took care of that particular segment of ST fandom... :laugh:

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First Contact doesn't get to override established TOS canon. But you can accept that WWIII was different than the Eugenics Wars. Spock was not a historian, and may have considered the EW as something it wasn't.

When the Berman Era contradicts TOS, and it can't be reconciled, the Berman Era is wrong, especially given that the Berman Era was filled with lazy and untalented writers who had no business writing for Star Trek.

Perfect example: Flashback killed a character that didn't die, and it was clear they didn't watch ST6 beyond the first scene with Sulu.

Or how about the time Voyager encountered survivors who were assimilated at Wolf 359, when the Borg only sent one ship, and it was destroyed?

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First Contact doesn't get to override established TOS canon. But you can accept that WWIII was different than the Eugenics Wars. Spock was not a historian, and may have considered the EW as something it wasn't.

When the Berman Era contradicts TOS, and it can't be reconciled, the Berman Era is wrong, especially given that the Berman Era was filled with lazy and untalented writers who had no business writing for Star Trek.

Perfect example: Flashback killed a character that didn't die, and it was clear they didn't watch ST6 beyond the first scene with Sulu.

Or how about the time Voyager encountered survivors who were assimilated at Wolf 359, when the Borg only sent one ship, and it was destroyed?

I don't buy the TOS is automatically right position either.

Don't get me wrong; I'm a huge TOS fan, but it contradicted its own history quite a lot as well. The whole canon thing has gotten frankly a bit absurd for me. My own 'head canon' says that if a better story 'contradicts' a lesser one? The better one is right. That's my 'default.' :P

Too much artificial value is placed in 'established canon'; this is pop fiction, not archival restoration. At the end of the day, as Shatner once said, "It's just a TV show..." :laugh:

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On an after note to that episode...the actress who played Kirk's training Thrall, Angelique Pettyjohn, made several porn movies afterwards. I guess the Jiffypop outfit and Kirk's wooing did a number on her!!!

Wow. Thats news to me. But also, did you know the enterprise stars in a lot of Sehlat's shipporn galleries? :P

Ship porn... truly the safest sex out there. :P:giggle:

A talented writer can turn ANYTHING into an NC-17 rated story. I've seen shuttle/shuttle slash. :P

insurrection0226.jpg

Sorry... I couldn't resist. :giggle:

Stuff like that is exactly what I was talking about. :P

How evil empires propagate:

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On an after note to that episode...the actress who played Kirk's training Thrall, Angelique Pettyjohn, made several porn movies afterwards. I guess the Jiffypop outfit and Kirk's wooing did a number on her!!!

Wow. Thats news to me. But also, did you know the enterprise stars in a lot of Sehlat's shipporn galleries? :P

Ship porn... truly the safest sex out there. :P:giggle:

A talented writer can turn ANYTHING into an NC-17 rated story. I've seen shuttle/shuttle slash. :P

insurrection0226.jpg

Sorry... I couldn't resist. :giggle:

Stuff like that is exactly what I was talking about. :P

How evil empires propagate:

photo_zps3f7b9395.jpg

Imperial Shuttle: "Did anyone ever tell you that you're strong with the dark side of the force?"

Warbird: "Oh just shut up and dock already, will you?"

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