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How would you change Enterprise?

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To quote Evil Hoshi directly from the episode:

"Son of famed warp specialist Henry Archer, Jonathan was appointed Captain of Starfleet's first warp five ship. His name is among the most recognised in the Federation. He earned an impressive list of commendations during his career. Historians called him the greatest explorer of the twenty second century. Two planets were named after him."

Again, that's a Wikipedia entry from a starship not only from the Original Series timeline but from an Original Series episode ("The Tholian Web"). As for the timelines "converging"? Uh-uh, no way. Two separate timelines would only ever become more disparate. That's why I don't buy Orci's bullshit that the nuTrek timeline will "heal itself" back into something resembling the original. It's impossible.

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To quote Evil Hoshi directly from the episode:

"Son of famed warp specialist Henry Archer, Jonathan was appointed Captain of Starfleet's first warp five ship. His name is among the most recognised in the Federation. He earned an impressive list of commendations during his career. Historians called him the greatest explorer of the twenty second century. Two planets were named after him."

Again, that's a Wikipedia entry from a starship not only from the Original Series timeline but from an Original Series episode ("The Tholian Web"). As for the timelines "converging"? Uh-uh, no way. Two separate timelines would only ever become more disparate. That's why I don't buy Orci's bullshit that the nuTrek timeline will "heal itself" back into something resembling the original. It's impossible.

Well, since we have no real-world example of parallel timeline convergence (or furthering disparity), we really can't ever know.... time travel being impossible also puts a bit of a dent in things. Yes, Orci's bit about the timeline 'healing' does smack of retcon bulls#!t, but then again, most of Star Trek tech is largely improbable in the extreme, so why not, really?

In my head canon, a parallel temporal convergence is weak (granted), but no less improbable than time travel, or red matter, or transwarp beaming.

I'm not married to my head canon, but for me, it fits better than it doesn't (despite the occasional continuity hiccup; ST continuity is never perfect, nor will it be). It also makes "Regeneration" work a lot better than it did before (as well as much of the retconning of the Abramsverse).

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Having a Prime and several alternates makes it much easier for writers. There is no real practical reasons not to use the idea and a lot of reasons to use it.

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Having a Prime and several alternates makes it much easier for writers. There is no real practical reasons not to use the idea and a lot of reasons to use it.

It's not just an easy way out of continuity issues; it's also a great way to expand ST's overall scope. It can be like DC and Marvel; having multiverses with all kinds (and combinations) of adventures....

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Was it really the original series timeline and the same quantum reality as Tholian Web, or was it Kirk's Enterprise from Archer's timeline's future? I just find it odd that we don't see any of Doctor Phlox's descendants running around in the 23rd or 24th centuries.

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Was it really the original series timeline and the same quantum reality as Tholian Web, or was it Kirk's Enterprise from Archer's timeline's future? I just find it odd that we don't see any of Doctor Phlox's descendants running around in the 23rd or 24th centuries.

Technically, it wasn't Kirk's Enterprise... it was that broken-necked captain's USS Defiant. But yeah, that's the question I ask myself; the bios they were looking at could've just as easily been from a post First Contact 'temporally disrupted' 21st century timeline that had already converged into something resembling the prime universe (I know, I know... 'healing' timelines is bogus ST09 ret-conning, but so are many other ST ideas, so...whatever). The USS Defiant that floated into the mirror Archer universe may not have been the exact one that Kirk encountered in the 'prime' universe (however similar). But it seemed to me that some of the events of ENT S4 'reshaped' the disparate Archer-verse timeline into something more closely resembling Kirk's prime timeline in TOS (closely, but not necessarily exact). Maybe it was a higher tech version of that prime timeline? Or maybe there are multiple offspring timelines from the First Contact contamination, one of which is the Abramsverse (which became even more disrupted following Nero's incursion)?

Again, this is just idle speculation.

I'm not pretending the write the last word on ST timelines here... :laugh:

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Here's what I would have liked to see Enterprise give us:

1. Keep the first couple of years focused on exploration but intermix the Romulans as recurring characters who the crew encounter and may mix it up with, but never see face to face or over video comms so Balance of Terror still works.

2. Do some alliance prep work but since I think the mid-point of the series should be 2-3 seasons of the Romulan War and that was referred to as the Earth-Romulan War the new friendlies sit it out and watch.

3. Post Romulan War the Alliance is formed (Earth, Vulcan, Andoria). Maybe introduce some new tech closer to TOS-era and Enterprise starts pushing out to make early contact with races referenced in TOS.

4. The bonds of the Alliance are tested when an unknown force threatens the members (this could be something like the Xindi, but not the Xindi, just didn't care for that whole season). The young Alliance comes together to defend one another, though we don't have ships share crews since in TOS that felt like there was still not a lot of that going on since Spock was the first Vulcan in the Academy, etc. The fend off the threat and make a name for themselves and purveyors of peace who speak softly but carry a big stick in what will become known as the Alpha Quadrant.

5. Flash forward X years. As new contacts are made and as the series wraps up the Alliance is desolved and the United Federation of Planets is formed. Using their combined technology StarFleet engineers begin working on a prototype ship, the USS Constitution, that will pave the way and form the basis for the next generation starship to serve as the work horse of the Federation.

So the above lays out a different arc for the series. Looking at some of the specifics,

1. Keep Hoshi, but make her background different. She needs to have been out among the stars on her own learning different languages. This could give her a completely different persona. Maybe she was in the black market or worked for a privateer just so she could be out there exploring and interacting with different races and picking up bits of their language. Because of this she has difficulty fitting into StarFleet kind of like the Maquis in early Voyager.

2. Get a new chief engineer. Just didn't care for Trip.

3. Keep T'Pol. I'm not so torn up over the uniform, but I admit it doesn't really fit with what they depicted Vulcan culture to be in that era so something more militaristic would be more believable.

4. I liked Reed and the whole Section 31 tie in (OK, probably not a shocker :biggrin: ). This should be explored in more depth. During the Romular War, maybe Enterprise gets pulled off the front lines to do covert ops for Section 31. Reed remains in the shadows not advancing very far in StarFleet ranks and becomes Director Reed at the end.

5. Travis just needs more to do. The one episode that "focused" on him made him a pariah in his own family because he didn't follow in the family business. Felt too much like the Spock/StarFleet plot from Journey To Babel.

6. I liked Scott Bakula. But I never really warmed up to Archer as a captain. As the CO of the first Warp 5 starship I'd have expected him to be a bit more assertive. Maybe have him screw up early on and the learn from those mistakes so that the character would show some growth over the series.

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