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[Maltz]

How soon after the end of TVH does TFF begin? They'd certainly had plenty of time in which to redesign the Enterprise-A bridge.

[Mackenzie Calhoun]

I'd hazard a guess anytime between a month to three months. Can't be more than a year, I'd imagine the Yorktown/Enterprise-A conversion wasn't that great. Time for the crew to go on Shore Leave. Scotty's "aye and we saw what she's got" log reference.

[Ishimura]

Yeah, "'Let's see what's she got', said the captain. And then we found out didn't we?" So, yeah it couldn't have been that long a period of time. I guess they took her out for a spin then headed back to Spacedock with a lot of problems. So, it was probably within a few months.

Remember the stardate in IV is 8390 and the stardate in V is 8454.1. So, that should explain it right there as to how much of a gap it is between films. And of course we all know the date of VI 9521.6.

Edited by Ishimura, 26 March 2012 - 02:19 AM.

[Captain Benjamin Sisko]

Agree with the above comments. It's likely that several weeks elapsed, at most, between the films. Most of the literature providing details about dating in the Star Trek universe suggests that The Final Frontier takes place in early-2286, with only a short time having passed following the events of The Voyage Home.

--Captain Sisko

[Maltz]

The Okuda Chronology has ST II and III in 2285, ST IV in 2286, and ST V in 2287. Personally, I don't agree with this; I think II, III, IV and V all occur within the same year, 2285.

[Zef'No]

The only time reference in ST:V is Kirk's line to Scotty: "You told me you could have the ship operational in two weeks. I gave you three. What happened?"
So, three weeks seems to be the answer.

As for ST:IV, Kirk said: " We are in the third month of our Vulcan exile."
Suggesting 3 months passed between ST:IV and ST:III.

There was also reference to the mutineers of the HMS Bounty "500 years ago" - the mutiny took place in 1789 putting ST:IV around 2289.
And Dr. Taylor said she had "300 years of catch-up learning to do", she is generally beleived to be from 1986, so this puts the bulk of the film around 2286.

There was a line spoken by President Jaresh-Inyo in Homefront (2372) that a state of emergency hadn't been declared on Earth in "a century". That would seem to refer to ST:IV, putting the date as early as 2272. - He was presumably exaggerating though because we know from Generations that Kirk had retired from Starfleet from at least 2282 to 2284. ST:II (and the subsequent films) would therefore have to be after 2284.

[Sehlat Vie]

Maltz, on 28 February 2013 - 07:27 PM, said:

The Okuda Chronology has ST II and III in 2285, ST IV in 2286, and ST V in 2287. Personally, I don't agree with this; I think II, III, IV and V all occur within the same year, 2285.

I don't; the entire cast got considerably older (7 years!) between STII and V. Kirk's waistline expanded. Uhura went gray. And poor Scotty got a bit thick in the midsection as well... all in a year?? I don't think so. Not to mention the ship replaced its bridge module between IV and V. I assume that took a bit of time as well.

The Okuda Chronology works for me.
As they say in "A Piece of the Action"; "Don't make any cracks about the book!"

[Maltz]

Well TWOK begins on Kirk's birthday, which the majority of sources state is March 22nd. He boards the Enterprise on its training cruise the following day. At a guess, I'd say TSFS starts about a week after the end of TWOK, so late March - early April. The film only seems to cover a couple of days, a week at the most. TVH starts three months after the end of TSFS, making it July. Now I reckon it's possible that about a month passes between the Bounty crashing in San Franciso Bay and the trial of the Enterprise crew (Earth would have needed some time to fully recover from the devastation caused by the Cetacean Probe). Assuming TVH ends in late July - early August, and there's three weeks between then and the beginning of TFF, then TFF takes place around towards the end of August, 2285. (Incidentally, the Kirk sections of the novel To Reign in Hell: The Exile of Khan Noonien Singh would occur within the three week period between TVH and TFF).

P.S: Of course, if we were to take the first DC Comics series into account, then we might be able to stretch the time period further, as the comics posited additional adventures between II, III and IV (e.g. Kirk and co taking command of Excelsior for a while before having to abandon it and return to Vulcan in a captured Klingon BoP - again), but there's so much stuff in that series that contradicts later canon, I'm a bit reluctant to include it.

Edited by Maltz, 01 March 2013 - 12:26 PM.

[Sehlat Vie]

Maltz, on 01 March 2013 - 12:22 PM, said:

Well TWOK begins on Kirk's birthday, which the majority of sources state is March 22nd. He boards the Enterprise on its training cruise the following day. At a guess, I'd say TSFS starts about a week after the end of TWOK, so late March - early April. The film only seems to cover a couple of days, a week at the most. TVH starts three months after the end of TSFS, making it July. Now I reckon it's possible that about a month passes between the Bounty crashing in San Franciso Bay and the trial of the Enterprise crew (Earth would have needed some time to fully recover from the devastation caused by the Cetacean Probe). Assuming TVH ends in late July - early August, and there's three weeks between then and the beginning of TFF, then TFF takes place around towards the end of August, 2285. (Incidentally, the Kirk sections of the novel To Reign in Hell: The Exile of Khan Noonien Singh would occur within the three week period between TVH and TFF).

P.S: Of course, if we were to take the first DC Comics series into account, then we might be able to stretch the time period further, as the comics posited additional adventures between II, III and IV (e.g. Kirk and co taking command of Excelsior for a while before having to abandon it and return to Vulcan in a captured Klingon BoP - again), but there's so much stuff in that series that contradicts later canon, I'm a bit reluctant to include it.

Take Einstein's special relativity as they cruise at high impulse (sublight speeds) and it all works out...
Besides; I thought the comics aren't 'canon'? Another reason I always say canon is only as 'permanent' as the writers need it to be.