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So I thought of this little idea earlier on, if you where given the Gene Roddenberry/Rick Berman head role of the Star Trek franchise, what would you have officially removed from Star Trek canon? I myself really am not fond of Romulus going up in flames in the 2009 film, so It'd be hard not for me to pick that. It's probably because I love them so much, and I feel that there was much more to see from the empire in the future. But what would you have removed?

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It would be a few things.

1. I would make it a rules that all writers, actors watch all the series and films that came before.

2. Point out o fans that the 2009 is actually in an alternate reality. example; a relaity like we seen in the TNG episode parrells.

3. I would then make plans to make a series based on the real Enterprise and build sets to match the TOS ones from the Original.

4. Make Enterprise, a alternate reality.

5. All fans site, like Trekcore a right to show videos, write about the show. Making sure they are not profiting from it.

6. I would have Paramount Pictures/CBS hold a vote on waht era that everyone wants to see.

7. Have a TNG animated series done, which could be an hour long. It would make those actors be ok with not worrying about getting too old to play Data.

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NEMESIS. Make it go away.

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Just One Thing?

Seven. Of. Nine.

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I would eliminate canon from canon. The whole notion of lines written by paid professional writers and delivered by paid professional actors carrying nearly Biblical weight is patently ludicrous. There are more internal contradictions in Trek than in the Bible and the cinceit of "canon" in both universes should be ignored.

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Well, I'd get rid of about 70% of Voyager, especially all that crap about easily beating the Borg as they did week after week.... :thumbdown:

As much as I enjoyed the episode, I'd scratch out that meeting between Archer's crew and those Ferengi pirates.

I'd only probably remove the destruction of Romulus from the 2009 movie. As previously stated, it's an alternate universe, separate from original canon.

KIRK DOESN'T DIE. KIRK DOESN'T DIE. KIRK DOESN'T DIE. KIRK... DOESN'T... DIE! If anything, have him survive the fight with Soran. Afterward, he re-enters or exits the Nexus (depending on where they actually are, whether that's actually a back-in-time Veridian III or another part of the Nexus) and re-emerges on the Enterprise-B bridge. Then he decides to come out of retirement and commandeer the new Enterprise. :biggrin:

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Here's what I would remove and change:

Movies:

1. Get rid of Star Trek: The Motions Picture and make a different one....I didn't like the first trek movie, it was so boring lol

2. Star Trek: Nemesis - Not have Data die...get rid of the prototype one instead which would have Picard think it was actually Data

3. Star Trek XI: Not have Vulcan destroyed in the alternate timeline

TV Series:

TNG: Not have Tasha died...keep her around longer and have her depart but not die

DS9: Get rid of Ezri Dax by not having Jadzia Dax die

VOY: Less Janeway/Chakotay focus. Have more Seven of Nine/Torres focus :)

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2. Star Trek: Nemesis - Not have Data die...get rid of the prototype one instead which would have Picard think it was actually Data

I'm gonna have to agree with this as well, 8 year old me was crushed when I saw the ending to that movie. You can't kill of Data and expect people to be happy with it! :thumbdown:

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Generations.

Pulaski.

Chocolate sundaes.

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Man, i wouldnt know where to start,think i wouldnt touch the orginal series(perfect the way it is),i would make slight changes to the next generation like keeping beverly in all 7 season,get rid of wesley a lot sooner,same with DS9,i would have the regular recurring characters on more instead of being in the new dax.

Voyager,hire writers have known what they are writing about and rule the star trek bible,(like seven one week they says thi and this about her,then they write something completely different the next time around)i wouldnt have kes, i would have more interaction between the starfleet personal of voyager(like they planned to in the beginning).

Enterprise-rewind back to the begining and start from stratch.

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All I would really change about Enterprise is the annoyances of things like meeting The Borg and The Ferengi 200 years earlier than they were supposed to, and have them create more interesting main characters from the start. I would have much preferred it if they had a 5 year break in between Voyager and Enterprise. The writers were burned out.

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Khan, I can't stand that arrogant piece of...

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one thing? just one.

in that case: BRAGA. :P

oh wait, you mean in the shows themselves...hmm.

DS9: Jadzia does not die, thank you very much

Voyager: Chakotay/Seven is OUT. J/C slowly built over season seven and hints of Kim/Seven instead of the one tease we got and never again. grrr.

Enterprise: no killing off of Trip.

Trek XI: Abrams would have been banned. there will be no destruction of any major known worlds, thank you. Trek XI would have been a DS9 movie, possibly the plot of the DS9 novel Unity adapted to the big screen (much as i would have hated to see Shakaar's death become canon, it would have made a great movie) :P

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That tease we got of Kim/Seven was one-sided really though.

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Do you mean that early Season 4 episode where Seven had only been separated from the collective for a few weeks?

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Yes. The one episode where she was trying to learn to read social signals and misread them a bit... -,-

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Ezri. She pretty much gutted Dax for me. I would have either shipped Jadzia off to Trill or anywhere or killed her without replacing her with someone so incompetent.

For Voyager, I would have avoided adding a Borg as a member of the crew. She was basically a Vulcan/Android rip off that made everyone else's position obsolete. Instead of giving her an area of expertise, the writers made her omniscient, causing her to overshadow everyone else. Data was knowledgeable, but he didn't take over everyone's jobs like Seven did either. Also, I would avoid creating a character to prance around the ship in a catsuit. It's a cheap, desperate ploy for ratings.

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TOS:

• Chekov. Let's be honest, the series would have been just as good (if not a little better) without him.

• Nomad wiping Uhura's memory, then her having to relearn everything in a week.

TNG:

• Wesley "Ruin Every Scene By Being In It" Crusher

• Dr. Pulaski

• Data being able to activate/deactivate his emotion chip in final movies.

• Worf/Troi relationship

DS9:

• Vic Fontaine

• Erasing Kurn's memory

• Genetically Enhanced Dr. Bashir

VOY:

• I'd be cool with just tossing all of it.

ENT:

• Every Vulcan on that show being so emotional.

XI:

• Spock & Uhura kiss

• Death of Amanda

• Destruction of Vulcan

• The giant red monster on ice planet (because it wasn't built to live in a tundra environment)

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I must protest your comment about Chekov. He was adorable, and without him, we would have never had learned that anything of signification that happened in the world occurred in Russia.

Data would have been better without an emotion chip altogether

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I must protest your comment about Chekov. He was adorable, and without him, we would have never had learned that anything of signification that happened in the world occurred in Russia.

Data would have been better without an emotion chip altogether

I think the emotion chip was good for the evolution of the character, without that we wouldn't have gotten that legendary ending to First Contact.

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Vic Fontaine? I liked him...

Generations - I wouldn't have killed Kirk. Even though I don't hate the death, I just find it ultimately unnecessary.

Jadzia Dax - should not have died.

I would do away with Voyager and Enterprise entirely.

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I'd start by binning XI in it's entirety and then bin most of Enterprise, or at least re-write it so it would fit in with events in TOS, TNG etc rather than put the million or so things that didn't fit down to some boring assed and incomprehensible Temporal Cold War.

TNG's The Outcast, in it's entirety.

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The problem with the emotion chip, in Generations anyway, was that it didn't make Data's scenes more poignant. It turned him into the comic relief and it was hard to take him seriously through about half the movie. The only real progress made with him were the scenes in the stellar cartography room and when he's scared to save Geordi from Soran. A couple of laughs here and there is okay, but not when that's all the character seems to do. Then, thankfully, we don't get as much of that schlocky comedy in First Contact. It was established in the previous film that it fused into his positronic net, and then in FC, he gained the ability to switch it on and off, which could've been a solution to dealing with the chip being fused into him permanently. Then when it was activated by the Borg Queen, the emotions conveyed were well-portrayed and essential to the plot. This is where it worked... and worked well. Then in Insurrection... ho, boy... he forgot to take it with him!? Are you kidding me? Then, thankfully, in Nemesis, it was completely abandoned. No mention of it at all. If I could remove the emotion chip from canon, I wouldn't do it fully, but I'd definitely make Data's actions with it more powerful and more in-tune with the character. We know Brent Spiner can play funny, but it wasn't absolutely necessary in the films. It was a disservice to this rich, beloved character.

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Chase Masterson's clothing.

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The problem with the emotion chip, in Generations anyway, was that it didn't make Data's scenes more poignant. It turned him into the comic relief and it was hard to take him seriously through about half the movie. The only real progress made with him were the scenes in the stellar cartography room and when he's scared to save Geordi from Soran. A couple of laughs here and there is okay, but not when that's all the character seems to do. Then, thankfully, we don't get as much of that schlocky comedy in First Contact. It was established in the previous film that it fused into his positronic net, and then in FC, he gained the ability to switch it on and off, which could've been a solution to dealing with the chip being fused into him permanently. Then when it was activated by the Borg Queen, the emotions conveyed were well-portrayed and essential to the plot. This is where it worked... and worked well.

I don't see anything wrong with how the emotion chip was handled in GENERATIONS. It was one of the things I think they got right. I also like the idea that when Data gets emotions he's not actually Mr funny-man but rather obnoxious and the deadpan stares by Geordi are perfect. You can see the cogs moving in his head "oh boy, we've created a monster". It really makes sense for Data because of his innocence and childlike outlook on life. Then reality slaps him across the face and he becomes fearful, guilty, remorseful. These emotions he enjoyed so much are now starting to overwhelm him and the only thing he can do is move on and learn to live with them, for better or worse. Eventually he'd grow out of his juvenille behavior. Have it mirror the progress we saw Data go through between the pilot and the finale. Honestly, the emotion chip should have been installed at the end of the Season Seven premiere. It was the last season and the writers could have made so much great material out of that concept. What if Data falls in love? What if he becomes jealous? What if he starts to feel hatred towards someone or something? So much more could have been done on that final season. It would have been much better than half the episodes being long-lost family plots.

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