Favorite Overall Trek Series/Movie  

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  1. 1. What is your overall favorite Star Trek series?

    • Star Trek: Enterprise
      17
    • Star Trek: The Original Series
      52
    • Star Trek: The Animated Series
      0
    • Star Trek: The Next Generation
      55
    • Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
      50
    • Star Trek: Voyager
      34
  2. 2. What is your overall favorite Star Trek movie?

    • Star Trek - I: The Motion Picture
      10
    • Star Trek - II: The Wrath of Khan
      42
    • Star Trek - III: The Search for Spock
      7
    • Star Trek - IV: The Voyage Home
      22
    • Star Trek - V: The Final Frontier
      4
    • Star Trek - VI: The Undiscovered Country
      29
    • Star Trek - VII: Generations
      11
    • Star Trek - VIII: First Contact
      65
    • Star Trek - IX: Insurrection
      7
    • Star Trek - X: Nemesis
      11


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All I can say re Generations

Kirk to Spock in Star trek 3, "why would you do this", Kirk replied " you'd do the same for me"

Spock was not given the chance and that is the problem with the script including from the beginning when Spock was written in. Probably part of the reason Nimoy turned it down, 

Wasted opportunity on many counts.

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GENERATIONS is and will be always the best TNG movie to me (and a very emotional movie that helped me deal with the death of my dad).

And for INSURRECTION......

With all due respet to my friend Stephen Andrew, who love this movie,I have to say that I just wasted my afternoon watching STAR TREK INSURRECTION yet again since last year. Like FIRST CONTACT. I got the feeling that the movie aged well in this JJ era, and its very true to the Roddenberry ideals and phylosophy of friendship and loyalty as screenwriter Michael Piller hoped (read Mr Piller book FADE IN THE WRITING OF STAR TREK INSURRECTION). But having said that is INSURRECTION a good movie ? My opinion of 1988 remains - STAR TREK INSURRECTION is not a good movie or a good Trek movie, its just a TV episode of TNG, its an average, not bad, movie, its not epic and its not an emotional movie. Frakes did the best directiong he could do, but most of the acting are wooden, with Stewart and Spiner and Dorn having phone in their performances. The guest cast - Zerbe, Murphy and the great F. Murray Abraham completely wasted as Ru'afo - deliver dreadful performances and the Santa Barbara Studios special effects are just terrible as the FX in STAR TREK V, they should have used ILM instead of spending all their budget in that damn village. There two good things to say about this movie : Jerry Goldsmith delivers another great musical score and Frakes looks great in command of the Enterprise, Paramount should have done a Captain Riker movie, in my opinion. The verdict is that is a poor movie, an average movie with poor visuals, but not as bad as the next movie, STAR TREK NEMESIS, which is maybe the worst STAR TREK movie thanks to editor-turned-director Stuart Baird.

Gus

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10 hours ago, GustavoLeao said:

My opinion of 1988 remains - STAR TREK INSURRECTION is not a good movie or a good Trek movie, its just a TV episode of TNG, its an average, not bad, movie, its not epic and its not an emotional movie.


Very much this.

10 hours ago, GustavoLeao said:

The guest cast - Zerbe, Murphy and the great F. Murray Abraham completely wasted as Ru'afo - deliver dreadful performances and the Santa Barbara Studios special effects are just terrible as the FX in STAR TREK V, they should have used ILM instead of spending all their budget in that damn village

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And that expensive village looked like nothing more than an outdoor California flea market in wine country.  

Hell, at least Shatner’s Paradise City in STV looked visually interesting.   And yes, I prefer STV over INS any day of the week. 

10 hours ago, GustavoLeao said:

The verdict is that is a poor movie, an average movie with poor visuals, but not as bad as the next movie, STAR TREK NEMESIS, which is maybe the worst STAR TREK movie thanks to editor-turned-director Stuart Baird.

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I almost agree with you, but I really think that INS is a worse movie than NEM.  Just my humble opinion.

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Well, Sehlat, NEMESIS has nice visuals and a great performance by Patrick Stewart but I think its more complicated than that.

Does STAR TREK NEMESIS deserve its reputation?

I think John Logan (seen in the pic below with Stewart and Spiner during filming of the buggy scene) is a talented writer and to tell the truth I liked his script for NEMESIS, the bad thing is that all the good scenes (the Wesley cameo, Picard and Data toast, the arrival of the new first officer and so forth, more on that later) ended in the cutting room, sadly. I put the blame of the failure of NEMESIS entirely on the director, Stuart Baird, who didnt understood the material, didnt care for Star Trek and made some scenes dull and reduntand. If Frakes or even Bryan Singer (who cameos in the movie) have direcetd NEMESIS, we would end with a much better picture. In my opinion,  a missed oportunity that deserves its bad reputation, but still better than the JJ movies, which is no so  a great thing anyway.

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BTW Here's another good sscsne cut from NEMESIS - Captain Picard and Data makinga toast to "new worlds" and talking about life and death, after Troi and Riker wedding. Beatiful scene which resonates fine with the ending of the movie. Another bad call by Berman and Baird because its was a beautiful scene, a pity it got cut. Instead we have scenes like the buggy scene and endless scenes of Picard talking to Shinzon.

 

Gus
 

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I didn’t mean to imply that I liked NEM or that it was a great movie, but if I had to make a rankings list?  It’d still be above INS.  
INS had no scope.  It felt like a dull season 7 episode of TNG.   There was nothing epic or really special about it.

At the very least, NEM has nice cinematography (the movie has a pleasing color palette) and there is a bit of a passing of the baton feel, but its flaws FAR outweigh its attributes, and it’s still pretty low on my overall list (which is also why I hate making ranking lists; my favorites sometimes shift and trade places now and then). :P

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18 hours ago, Sehlat Vie said:


Very much this.

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And that expensive village looked like nothing more than an outdoor California flea market in wine country.  

Hell, at least Shatner’s Paradise City in STV looked visually interesting.   And yes, I prefer STV over INS any day of the week. 

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I almost agree with you, but I really think that INS is a worse movie than NEM.  Just my humble opinion.

This.

Nemesis problem is generally poor direction and, while Hardy gives it his all and so I can't say I blame him for anything, the film would have been far better if Stewart had just been enlisted into dual roles. That, and the final battle honestly just drags. Data's death is also handled poorly, but all those flaws so not the disaster that is Insurrection.

Insurrection is just plain bad. Embarrassing character moments peppered throughout a film that pretends to ask serious moral questions when it doesn't seem to understand that a really good moral question is one that you can see both sides of. There really is only answer to the Ba'ku question. It pretends at the notion of the "rebellion" of the Enterprise, but won't commit to it. There's no Riker facing off against Federation ships. There's no impassioned plea by Riker or Picard before the Federation Council.

On top of all of that, Picard and Anij have zero chemistry. All that and you have a film I can't watch for more than half an hour while I occasionally get the urge to retry Nemesis.

 

I like Generations. I don't utterly adore it. It's plenty imperfect, too, but it comes pretty close to hitting the marks that it wants to while INS is a clean miss.

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1 hour ago, prometheus59650 said:

Nemesis problem is generally poor direction and, while Hardy gives it his all and so I can't say I blame him for anything, the film would have been far better if Stewart had just been enlisted into dual roles. That, and the final battle honestly just drags. Data's death is also handled poorly, but all those flaws so not the disaster that is Insurrection.

Insurrection is just plain bad. Embarrassing character moments peppered throughout a film that pretends to ask serious moral questions when it doesn't seem to understand that a really good moral question is one that you can see both sides of. There really is only answer to the Ba'ku question. It pretends at the notion of the "rebellion" of the Enterprise, but won't commit to it. There's no Riker facing off against Federation ships. There's no impassioned plea by Riker or Picard before the Federation Council.

On top of all of that, Picard and Anij have zero chemistry. All that and you have a film I can't watch for more than half an hour while I occasionally get the urge to retry Nemesis.

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The last time I tried slogging through INS (again) I quit after the first 30-40 min or so.   It has a 'boring barrier’ that I just can’t seem to circumnavigate. :laugh:

NEM is one that I occasionally get the impulse to revisit, and yes, it’s VERY flawed, but it’s not so terrible that I can’t make it to the end.  And yes, I very much agree that Sir Patrick as both Picard and Shinzon would’ve gone a long way with improving the final film (no slur on Tom Hardy; he’s a fine actor, but he was just miscast).

1 hour ago, prometheus59650 said:

I like Generations. I don't utterly adore it. It's plenty imperfect, too, but it comes pretty close to hitting the marks that it wants to while INS is a clean miss.

Admittedly it’s a sentimental favorite of mine, and some of its shortcomings are hard to defend, but like Gus it kind of ‘spoke’ to me at a particularly difficult crossroads point in my life, and it resonated with me very much.  And I still think it’s far better than either INS or NEM.

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1 hour ago, Sehlat Vie said:

Admittedly it’s a sentimental favorite of mine, and some of its shortcomings are hard to defend, but like Gus it kind of ‘spoke’ to me at a particularly difficult crossroads point in my life, and it resonated with me very much.  And I still think it’s far better than either INS or NEM.

It's grown on me as I've matured, like TMP, which I can safely say I actually seriously kinda like now, even if it does still need a pass through the editor to remove 15 or so minutes of V'ger interior porn.

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1 hour ago, prometheus59650 said:

It's grown on me as I've matured, like TMP, which I can safely say I actually seriously kinda like now, even if it does still need a pass through the editor to remove 15 or so minutes of V'ger interior porn.

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mrw-she-started-doing-a-strip-tease-and-  << My younger self, enjoying the TMP V’ger porn... :giggle:

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Oh, I would never cut that shot. :)

 

But, for starters, we could snip bits off those stretches as they first enter and progress through the cloud.

Overall though, it still awes. I can't believe it lost the Oscar to the Alien chest burst.

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I love THE MOTION PICTURE since I saw it on the big screen in 1980, my first exposure to STAR TREK at age 9, thanks to my dad who was a TOS fan.  Dad hated the other series. I remember watching ENCOUNTER AT FARPOINT with him in early 1988 and when Picard surrender to Q he said "What  ? Kirk would never do that !" Nevertheless he      loved STAR TREK TMP, I, III and VI. I can only imagine what dad would say about DISCOVERY LOL

But yeah, I loved    TMP so much that I transfered the SPECIAL LONGER TV VERSION to  DVD a   few years ago and this ABC version of the movie is my favorite version of it. The Directois Editiojn is also a very good take on the movie. Heres the rare NATO trailer of the movie with a few edit differences.

 

Gus

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8 hours ago, prometheus59650 said:

Oh, I would never cut that shot. :)

 

But, for starters, we could snip bits off those stretches as they first enter and progress through the cloud.

Overall though, it still awes. I can't believe it lost the Oscar to the Alien chest burst.

Well, in fairness, ALIEN was a tough act to beat. 

TMP did have a few FX composites that looked a bit ‘matte-ish’ with obvious lines, etc.   ALIEN’s are pretty much flawless (at least for 1979).  

But TMP gave me such a feeling of awe and scale of the universe when I saw it in theatres as a kid.   It was more like an amazing planetarium show (with familiar guides) than a linear movie, and I loved it for what it was.

37 minutes ago, GustavoLeao said:

I love THE MOTION PICTURE since I saw it on the big screen in 1980, my first exposure to STAR TREK at age 9, thanks to my dad who was a TOS fan.  Dad hated the other series. I remember watching ENCOUNTER AT FARPOINT with him in early 1988 and when Picard surrender to Q he said "What  ? Kirk would never do that !" Nevertheless he      loved STAR TREK TMP, I, III and VI. I can only imagine what dad would say about DISCOVERY LOL

My dad hated Star Trek...I used to wonder if my Trekkie sister and I were adopted. :laugh:

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BTW, Here's the original ending of STAR TREK NEMESIS which was cut, unfortunately, featuring Captain Riker farewell to the Enterprise-E bridge and the arrival of the new first officer, Commander Madden. Its moving and funny, why the best scenes from this film, like the Picard and Data toast and the Wesley cameo sequences, were cut ? Why, Rick Berman ? Why ??? LOL

Gus

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