Justin Snead

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  1. Speculation is that this is the Shenzhou. This screen cap is from Trekcore's breakdown of the last DSC teaser trailer. You have to click on the link cause Im unable to post a picture. Click on the two images of the computer renderings: Screencaps
  2. I wish the novel was more of a set up for the show and that we could read it before the series starts. But I don't think the book will be out until after the series starts.
  3. It always made sense to me that there would be two ships. It seems like this show will operate with multiple settings. Unlike previous Trek series, the scenes will not shift form the bridge to the briefing room to the sick bay to the transporter room to the cave set and back to the bridge. The setting will jump across multiple ships, from Klingon planets to Vulcan to star bases to other alien worlds all in one episode. It will be very different in this way. My question is the design of the ship. The ShuttlePod trio commented that the schematic on the last DSC trailer looked a bit too 24th Century to be in the same fleet with the Constitution Class. It was only a schematic and we don't know it is the Shenzhou. Does anyone have a screen cap of it?
  4. Ok let's map this out: (some minor spoilers, but I really don't know anything but hints about the series plot) 13 Episodes 1: Intro to the principals and the conflict (planetary health crisis; Klingon politics) 2: Deepening of the conflict 3: First Stand Alone (explores Number One) 4: Second Stand Alone (explores Klingon characters) 5: Return of the Running Story (introduces Sarek) 6: Third Stand Alone 7: Merges elements of the Running story (the two ships meet; Vulcan and Klingons; diseased planet, etc) 8: Fourth Stand Alone 9: Sixth Stand Alone 10: Convergence of Story Lines & Build Up 11: Build Up 12: Build Up 13: Climax and finale When you look at it this way, 13 is a lot of episodes. There can be many opportunities for contained allegorical episodes. In this way, maybe they will take the approach of the recent X-Files revival (and old X-Files, Buffy, DS9 and a lot of other old shows that partially serialized): A couple main story lines woven through a series of episodes some of which are dedicated to the major arc and some of which are stand alines. On the other hand, if they go the HBO model, all 13 episodes will tell the same couple stories. Time will tell.
  5. While I'm not against arcs, I will continue to point out that the best DS9 episodes happened outside of its tightly serialized arcs. However, the fact that the series as a whole was glued together by its larger arcs made the whole series stronger and more meaningful. Anyway, a lot of TV shows today you just have to watch the entire season to fully appreciate the story. It's not bad or good, but I can get how it can wear some people down who just want to tune in for one episode. Bing watching is a lot of pressure. I don't do it. Not my style. Im still on episode 4 of West World for example, and god knows when I will finish.
  6. All good points. I get the idea of fans preferring their own chosen Trek, and how the internet amplifies negative voices. However, I will argue forever that haters of VOY and ENT did not hate those shows because they were not TNG or TOS. We hated them because they were terribly written, wasted potential, with characters the equivalent of fingernails on chalkboard, and the writers who refused to respect the audience's intelligence, and the sexploitation, and the rehashed plots, and on and on.... But about DSC. I haven't been around much lately on the message boards. Are many fans really gunning for this show? I mean, Ive been ranting about bad Trek for 15 years on the internet and I have nothing but love for the new show. So when I say "help us cope" Im not really talking about haters. I'm talking about us long time fans who are about to sit down and watch "not your father's Star Trek." In my line of work some of us talk about coping with loss when there is a change to our model. We all may like the change, but that doesn't mean we don't feel a sense of loss about the things that will be no more because of the change. And everyone is better off when we talk about that loss and process it. So one of the losses I am trying to process is that future Trek TV may not have stand alone episodes. No more perfect little tightly wound Swiftian/Roddenberrian allegories. No more episodes just about the doctor, or the first officer or the alien. Maybe I won't care in the end. Or maybe this prediction will turn out to be completely wrong. But in any case I will be ready whenever this show finally airs. Here's the rub. What viewing experience does CBS want? Do they want anybody to tune in at any point? Then it will be more episodic and formulaic like TOS/TNG, etc. Do they want a binge-worthy show, then it will be more serialized.
  7. But you just named three old shows. I know Doctor Who is still on but is its episodic format that different than it was 20 or 40 years ago? (I don't know that series at all). I think maybe that networks have different preferences. HBO shows that I am familiar with are pure serialization, no stand alone episodes at all. But some Netflix shows are more self contained. Maybe DSC will combine serialization and stand alones. Maybe there won't be any stand alone episodes at all. We just don't know. But I bring it up because the writers have to have discussed and debated this question and come up with their own answer. Thinking about it now will help us understand and enjoy the show better.
  8. Damar: "What kind of state tolerates the murder of innocent women and children?" Kira: "Yeah, Damar, what kind of people give those orders?" This quote showed up in my TrekCore twitter feed just now, and it illustrates the point I am making about what you can potentially lose with serialization. It is a scene from one of the episodes in the DS9 finale arc--I could not tell you which one, or exactly what preceded it. I think the Dominion was blowing up cities on Cardassia. It was an incredibly powerful moment. It was also a very poignant Kira moment because it recalled the entire history of her character arc. It was an important moment for the series major theme of the Cardassian occupation, since one of those Cardassians is now forced to experience what the Bajorans had. The problem was that it was just ONE moment that was quickly swept away by all the other story lines of that arc. If an entire 45-minute episode had been built around that scene, like a 7th season counterpoint to "Duet", THAT would have been a classic episode. It would have been one fans talk about, or long to re-watch. As I point out in my blog post at the top, that DS9 arc was 10 hours, 3 less than the DSC season will be. Yes, DSC will be updated TV as it should be. I think it will be great TV, if only because CBS cannot afford for it not to be. It will even be great Trek, I'm sure. But it may MAY be different in this regard: Will DSC have its own "Duet"s, "Inner Light"s, "Devil in the Dark"s and "City on the Edge of Forever"s? Unless they figure out how to merge serialization and stand alone stories, I don't know.
  9. I so much disagree with this interpretation of Trek history. I was only 7 at the time, but even I first saw Picard in a commercial and thought "The new Kirk cannot be an old bald guy!" But by the time the show premiered I was stoked, and never looked back. This is the difference your interpretation misses: back then the unknown quantity of TNG was compared to a beloved and iconic crew and series. It was understandable that some were emotionally opposed, and just as predictable that that opposition evaporated after we got new Trek on TV again. Today, some of us fans can't help think of this new unknown Trek show in relation not to Kirk and Spock but to Janeway, Chakotay, Harry Kim, Neelix, Archer, Tpol and Mayweather. Unlike the disgruntled fans of 1987, the disgruntled fans of 2017 actually have reason to be disgruntled. But I for one am not projecting my past disappointments onto the new show. I actually am unabashedly optimistic. In any case, I started this thread NOT to explain why DSC is going to suck. I don't think it will! I started this thread to explore how it will be different. In those differences, great meaning can be found. DS9 created a lot of interesting stories and characters in the way it was consciously different from previous Treks. Thinking about these things may actually enhance the viewing experience and allow us to see peek behind the curtain to what the writers are up to. Besides, what else are we going to talk about until September?
  10. I think we have similar Trek tastes. I've done a re-watch of TNG and DS9 but I did that years ago when the DVDs came out. I honestly wonder if I will ever sit down and watch an episode of TNG again. I suppose I will but I don't feel compelled. I am currently re-watching TOS for the first time and plan to watch all 79 episodes. You raise a good point about too many episodes. But that was a product of the TV business at the time. There were so many because the show's job was to hold an audience every week from September to May. Most shows aren't expected to do that anymore. Im ready for DISCOVERY to update Trek. But I do fret that the perfect little Trek allegory episode--the gems that appeared like diamonds in the ruff of those 20+ episode seasons--may not happen on the new series.
  11. I fully predict that fans are going to love this show. Still, we long-timers need to prepare ourselves for how different a 2017 Trek TV show will be from the previous 5 series. Two aspects of this difference are on my mind, and I will start with the shortened, serialized season of 13 episodes. You can go more in depth with my blog post: Discover will be a different kind of Trek than we are used to, Part I Here's an excerpt: Today I think everyone is aware of the benefits of season-long serialization: richer and more complex character arcs; more dramatic stories with higher stakes. But there is one drawback that might sting Trek fans in particular. The concept of The Episode may lose its meaning in fandom. Most serialized shows, especially genre shows, do not really have episodes: they are 13-hour movies with credit sequences arbitrarily dropped in every 50 minutes or so. If Star Trek fandom is based on any common bond it is this phrase: “Remember that episode when…?” It is easy to remember that one where Kirk fought the Gorn; when Spock mind melded with the pizza-rug alien; when the crew got space drunk; when Picard was assimilated; when the crew got caught in a time loop and kept reliving the same day; when Beverly made love with a space ghost, and on and on… (I remember having these conversations when there were precious fewer aired Trek episodes than there are now!). With DISCOVERY, this may no longer be possible. If it is one gigantic story that rolls into itself through each episode, it will be impossible to recall later where one episode ended and the other began. Also, a question for those of you who watch more genre shows than I do: Does this analysis describe most of these shows? If so, is this a drawback for you or not a big deal?
  12. Im more interested in the sound of his voice. Sarek's voice was so distinctive and really made the character. Never liked ST09 Sarek for this reason. On prequels, I've never been afraid of them. There is no limit to good storytelling. Character drama and tension is based on so much more than "will he or won't he die in this episode?" And most of these characters and their situations will be completely original.
  13. Seems to me that with a streaming show, it simply does not matter when it premiers. It can be January, March, May, June or September. CBS is probably balancing the need to make a quality show--for which they are already paying an enormous sum of money per episode Ive heard--against timing. Quality wins out. So Im not concerned about the premier date. Tell the Creatives that the deadline may be flexible, and they will blow right past it. More concerning is the Fuller firing. Talk on the internet (for what that is worth) is that there was more to it than overcommitment on his part. Creative differences? Personality clashes? Sheer incompetence? We may never know. But it seemed for a while that DSC had a show runner with a strong vision. Now I don't know who is running things and what their vision is or if they have one.
  14. One of the things I have been curious about is the narrative structure of the show. TOS felt like one little ship exploring the unknown because ALL we saw week after week was the ship emerging from an immense empty star field, and then recede back into it. Im re-watching season 1 now and am struck by how empty it feels in the part of the galaxy they are exploring. The bases they visit are either fully automated or maned by only a few people. The planets are dead and deserted. Kirk's ship seldom communicated with command. The whole concept of an "Earth Ship" Command was left pretty vague early on in that series. The concept of the Federation had not even been fleshed out. With good reason. All those details would have been a distraction from the sense of isolation and adventure. By the time TNG came around, "Federation Space" was more defined. The crew beamed down to sets that often looked like shopping malls. There were a lot more Star Fleet ships seen on screen. Then we got the Klingon and Romulan ... and Cardassian politics more fleshed out. You did not get the sense that Picard's ship was isolated on the frontier like Kirk's ship was. DS9, by sticking in one region of space for its entire run, created an even more fleshed out sense of place, will a heavy focus on the politics. As for Discovery, one thing we might infer from the casting is that they are going more in a DS9 instead of a TOS direction as far as sense of place and narrative structure. We have... [Is this a spoiler warning thread?????] at least 2 star ships that will house our regular crew. Maybe three if you count the lead Klingons. I think there are three leads who are Klingon, and one of them wants to unite the Klingon factions under one house. And now we have Sarek, the Vulcan ambassador, as a regular or semi regular. This show is going to be VERY political. With single episodes set in multiple, probably distant settings. TOS worked hard to make you feel at home on the Enterprise. DSC is going to feel different yet still be set in the TOS narrative universe. This could be a lot of fun, having the (literal) background to Kirk's adventures fleshed out in such detail.
  15. I don't know... why do we think this happened? I was never sold that Fuller was the Trek messiah (maybe I was a little)... but I wonder about the creative fall out. Was he fired because CBS did not approve of the direction of the show, and will now seek to change it? If so, will that make it better, worse, or a wash? Or is the creative direction of the show set, and he is handing over the reins for no other reason that other commitments? Fuller will have been leading DSC for more than half of its lifespan. CBS has to start filming soon to meet its new premier. Whether he would have been good, bad or indifferent, losing the show runner weeks away from start of filming is concerning.