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  1. Episode 1.15 “Will You Take My Hand?” Discussion Thread

    I respect your opinions—and liking Star Trek V does not diminish them. I love certain aspects of Star Trek V and, if those aspects were your favorite things about Star Trek, they could definitely make Star Trek V stand out. Frankly, I’m surprised you stayed on board for Star Trek: Enterprise. That series had as many canon violations as Discovery. It makes me think you should at least give the show a shot, but you seem pretty hardset against that at this point.
  2. Episode 1.15 “Will You Take My Hand?” Discussion Thread

    I fundamentally disagree with the idea that every aesthetic change requires placing the show in an alternate universe. If anything, the faithfulness of the Enterprise in the season finale proved we ARE in the Prime universe. Additionally, the writers attempt to explain why Kirk/Spock had not heard of the Mirror Universe despite Discovery’s experiences there. And, as for the Klingon War, not every major event in Star Trek history needs to be discussed at length in some episode or movie later on. The writers have already “officially” said this is in the Prime universe. The fact that a few fans can’t accept it is not surprising, but my enjoyment of the show is not ruined as a result. Star Trek: Discovery might not be perfectly consistent with TOS and certainly is not perfect in some other respects, but neither was TAS, TNG, DS9, VOY, or ENT. It is a fine Star Trek show set in the Prime universe.
  3. Episode 1.15 “Will You Take My Hand?” Discussion Thread

    I agree. Sarek is not as iconic so recasting him is an easier pill to swallow.
  4. Episode 1.15 “Will You Take My Hand?” Discussion Thread

    My first choice would certainly be Quinto. It’s hard for me to imagine that a decent CGI rendering of Spock could be achieved on a television budget (even though TV budgets have come a long way since the days of TOS). At the same time, I’d probably prefer they attempt that or try some magical “Trials and Tribble-ations”-like editing, then recast the role yet again. Given that they recast Sarek a second time, I’m a little concerned.
  5. Episode 1.15 “Will You Take My Hand?” Discussion Thread

    Spocks exclaiming “The women’!” cracks me up every time.
  6. Episode 1.15 “Will You Take My Hand?” Discussion Thread

    I wonder if Spock will be First Officer yet or if we will see “Number One”? Presumably, they plan to have another season-long arc. It will be interesting to see what role the Enterprise plays in launching that arc.
  7. Episode 1.15 “Will You Take My Hand?” Discussion Thread

    As much as I love Star Trek: Continues, I would really hate to see Haberkorn inhabit the character in Star Trek: Discovery. I don't really think he is a viable alternative, especially considering that Quinto would probably be excited to jump into the role again. Using Spock as a McGuffin, as the object of rescue or the missing man (like "Unification") is perhaps one way in which I could be fine with them not really showing Spock, because he still features prominently in the story. But to have him injured in sickbay or off on some other mission just so they don't have to deal with him would be pretty weak in my opinion. He needs to be an element of the plot. You can't have Burnham be related to the character, put the Enterprise up on screen knowing full well that all the fans realize he should be serving under Pike, and then dodge having the two characters share a story. I mean, what's the point of even having the Enterprise up there on screen then?
  8. Episode 1.15 “Will You Take My Hand?” Discussion Thread

    I just don’t see the point of having the Enterprise, having Pike, and then cop-out of showing Spock. Especially with all that is there to mine with his relationship to Burnham. Most viewers, myself included, will be seriously disappointed if they don’t have Spock. Personally, I’m pretty nervous about the casting unless it is Zach Quinto. I’ve come to accept him as Spock with Nimoy’s blessing. To have yet another actor play him would be risky. But if they entirely shy away from showing him, well, that’s just cowardly.
  9. Episode 1.15 “Will You Take My Hand?” Discussion Thread

    It's hard for me to accept as well. I just don't see how it could end well for L'Rell. Her conspiring with the Federation to threaten the destruction of Qo'nos in order to prevent an attack on Earth would destroy any semblance of honor she had in the eyes of her fellow Klingons. That is at least as treacherous as the betrayal committed by the House of Duras that led to the Romulan massacre at Khitomer!
  10. Is it time to give up on Discovery? (Spoilers)

    Whether you can enjoy Discovery factors somewhat on how much tolerance you have for departures from canon. For me, my enjoyment of the show is predicated on a lot of factors. The solid serialization, twists, and great character development factor more than my concerns over canon. They are telling a great story. The scope of the Klingon War is a bit irksome, because stuff like that seems avoidable. Nonetheless, I am confident that the writers of the show will tie it up in some reasonable fashion. It might not be what all the fans want by way of explanation, and it might not tie up every loose end. But I can live with that. For instance, I was concerned about Kirk/Spock’s lack of knowledge about the Mirror Universe, but the latest episode provided a reasonable explanation as to why Starfleet would keep it secret. I found the reason kind of interesting actually and thought it tied nicely with Mirror Lorca jumping universes after his love for Burnham, and Burnham bringing Georgiou into the Prime Universe. It’s a theme reflected in the DS9 Mirror episodes with Jennifer Sisko as I recall too. It poses an interesting question of what ifs. How far would you go to overcome or undo the loss of someone you truly love. Kinda heartbreaking really since we the viewer know full well how different these people can be. But is Georgiou evil by nature or nurture? Can that conditioning be undone? But I digress, Star Trek: Discovery has earned my viewership. I haven’t enjoyed Star Trek like this since DS9. Counting the days to Sunday
  11. While putting Emperor Georgiou in the captain’s chair is incredibly fun, and it is nice to have Michelle Yeoh back. COME ON! It’s pretty unbelievable. Still, should be an interesting season finale.
  12. I agree. I am assuming Bad Robot/JJ made the ultimate decision to hand the franchise over to Robert Orci. And I am 100% not surprised that failed. Incredibly poor judgement with an asset worth hundreds of millions in ticket sales. Paramount should really not allow Bad Robot to make more Star Trek films. It was not so much that Star Trek: Beyond was a failure. It wasn’t! I loved what Pegg and Jung created with Linn. But the production was managed horribly. If anyone’s head should role because of Beyond, it should be JJ’s. As for the topic at hand, I don’t think Shatner could carry a tentpole movie. Unless they do an animated CGI movie with lower expectations. That could work, but a live-action movie with CGI Shat would be a mistake. I’m torn though because I feel like they should take advantage of Shatner to capture Kirk again before he dies.
  13. Episode 1.13 "What's Past is Prologue" Discussion Thread

    I disagree. While TNG updated the look and feel of the Star Trek universe to make it accessible to modern audiences, the major events do not conflict much with TOS. The timeline is by and large coherent through TOS, TNG, DS9, and VOY. Star Trek: Enterprise did more to splinter the timeline. It depicted major historic events that conflicted with the established timeline like first contact with the Klingons, the NX-01 being the first Starfleet vessel to bear the name Enterprise, Romulan cloaking devices, the first encounter with the Borg, arguably the first encounter with the Ferengi, arguably the Xindi War. There are smaller technology-related continuity errors like phase cannons versus lasers or photonic torpedos versus atomic weapons or visual communication versus audio-only prior to the Romulan War, although these are not that big to me as compared with the major ones listed above.
  14. Episode 1.13 "What's Past is Prologue" Discussion Thread

    I try not to get too married to my pet theories, but I wish they had done things differently too. It could have solved all of the continuity issues by having Stamets seal off the mycelial network from human interference somehow—possibly through some great and dramatic personal sacrifice. Maybe even reuniting with Culber, which would also have been more romantic. Then use the USS Defiant interphasic tech to throw the ship way into the future like the USS Bozeman. Either because Stamets closed off the mycelial network or because they thought the spore technology led to the destruction of the USS Discovery, Starfleet abandons the technology. Plus, the ship never informs Kirks era about the Mirror universe (especially if ISS Discovery never entered the Prime universe). Like others, I have trouble swallowing the idea of the Klingons almost winning a war 10 years before TOS. I also don’t like the USS Discovery having knowledge of the Mirror Universe, yet Kirk and Spock act like it is a newly encountered phenomenon ten years later. And what of the spore technology now? They had a golden opportunity to close off that continuity issue, yet instead they healed the mycelial network? I’ll hold off judgment until I see how it ends, but it better not be a reset button!!! I could at least buy the idea of a war we have not heard of before, because maybe it just didn’t come up? But the spore network and knowledge of the Mirror Universe (with the Emperor inthe Prime timeline no less!), those things actually bother me more because it seems to directly contradict major TOS tech limitations and at least one “Top 10” TOS story.
  15. Episode 1.13 "What's Past is Prologue" Discussion Thread

    While it will be sad to see Lorca go, I’m confident the show will still be interesting and well worth watching without him. I remember the end of the first season of Game of Thrones. I did not think I could keep watching the show with the death of my favorite character, yet here I am dying to see season 7. Frankly, I enjoy the drama of killing major characters. As much as I love love love Jean-Luc Picard, I fantasize about how TNG would have gone if they killed Picard in “Best of Both Worlds, part 2.” It’s one area where I think to be more modern, Star Trek: Discovery has to go there and let Lorca die. It would also be more powerful if they never find Prime Lorca, that he went down with his ship like a good captain would. As an aside, It never made sense to me that Mirror Lorca escaped yet destroyed his own ship to “save” his crew and that Starfleet was just fine with that. He couldn’t save any of them! Not even grab an ensign to join him in the escape pod!! Unbelievable. I’d imagine there would be a court martial. As for the rest of the season, part of me wonders if Lorca will kill Georgiou and Burnham will kill Lorca, and suddenly she will be recognized as emperor? That would be kind of a WTF moment.
  16. Episode 1.12 "Vaulting Ambition" Discussion Thread

    In whatever manner Star Trek: Discovery touches upon faith, I highly doubt it will depict it in a Judeo-Christian manner. As Star Trek has often treated the boundary between faith and science in a quasi-scientific manner (as with "the prophets" on DS9 actually being non-linear non-corporeal aliens), I anticipate Star Trek: Discovery is trying to do the same thing with the "mycelial network." They may imply that the mycelial network spreads throughout the universe connecting the living and the dead in "subspace" or wherever the spore network is supposed to be. Scientifically, fungi does act as a unique sort of bridge between the living and the dead. It would seem to me that Star Trek: Discovery is taking that scientific principle and adding a thick layer of mysticism to it. Out of curiosity, I did a Google search of "Paul Stamets, fungi, and faith" and came across this passage from a book entitled Soil and Sacrament, by Fred Bahnson, which cites Paul Stamets work: "“[T]he relationship with fungi to life as we know it goes back for nearly 450 million years. Indeed, without mycelium, there would be no life at all. * * * The relationship works like this: the fungus penetrates a plant’s roots and provides the plant with nutrients and water from the surrounding soil, which the fungus accesses through its mycelial network. The fungus in return receives starches from the plant. When mycelium grows out into the surrounding soil it is said to 'run,’ and in doing so it not only forms symbiotic relationships with single plants, it provides links between plant species. In 1964, two North Canadian scientists chopped down a red maple tree and poured radioactive liquid into the stump. Eight days later they found that, within a radius of twenty-two feet, the leaves of nearly half of all the trees, shrubs, vines, and herbs contained radioactivity; mycelium provided the pathway through which the radioactive material spread. The experiment confirmed fungi’s link to every living thing. And every dead thing. Fungi are our biological go-betweens to the world beyond animate life. And like monks at prayer, fungi do their best work in darkness.” All that talk of the "mycelial network" and "the world beyond the animate life" seems all too familiar. Is Star Trek: Discovery trying to imply there is a mycelial network that binds all living things, providing a pathway through which every living thing is connected to the dead, as a "biological go-between between the world beyond the animate life"? Quite possibly what they are doing. Star Trek at its quasi-scientific best? or worst? That will be for fans to debate, if this is how it indeed plays out.
  17. The Gabriel Lorca Topic (SPOILERS INCLUDED)

    Haha ... I get the sense that Isaacs is genuinely having a great time with all this stuff. I love his sense of humor and attitude about it all. One more reason I’d hate to see him go!
  18. The Gabriel Lorca Topic (SPOILERS INCLUDED)

    Love this post on Jason Isaac’s Twitter: “For all those asking if mirror Lorca makes it, if he or prime Lorca will be in season 2 or if this is the end of the mirror universe in #StarTrekDiscovery, why would you trust me? I’ve been lying to you from the beginning! #BelieveMe #LiarInChief” He has been lying to us all along!
  19. The Sylvia Tilly Appreciation Thread...

    I am surprised how many Star Trek fans have a bit of a thing for Tilly. She’s not your typical Star Trek babe. I for one find Star Trek: Discovery’s female casting, characterization, and costumes refreshing, especially after looking at these rudiculous catsuits.
  20. The Saru Topic (Spoilers Included)

    True true. I love Doug Jones. Just saw Shape of the Water last night. Yet another fantastic creature into which he breathed life!
  21. The Saru Topic (Spoilers Included)

    I guess I’m splitting hairs, but is it really “mutiny” anymore since Lorca is an impostor? Really, Saru should be in command now.
  22. Episode 1.12 "Vaulting Ambition" Discussion Thread

    Unless he’s in the Mirror Universe, in which case he’d just be considered a straight shooter with upper management written all over him.
  23. Episode 1.12 "Vaulting Ambition" Discussion Thread

    That would be interesting. I’m pretty much over that plotline as well. I want them to push the Stamets and Lorca plots further. And of course, as much of Michelle Yeoh as possible! I’m also curious if we will see a time jump forward by the end of the season like the Tholians did that captured the USS Defiant.
  24. Episode 1.12 "Vaulting Ambition" Discussion Thread

    I got the impression that they had Prime Tyler’s body and they mutilated Voq to fit Tyler’s specifications. He had to have originally been a real Starfleet officer. I’m sure Lorca would have at least verified that. The Discovery interpreted his scars to be remnants of Klingon torture. I assume by “barge of the dead” we are referring to the Klingon Sarcophagus ship and not that Voyager episode. At any rate, I could see it happening if only to recycle those million dollar sets. It would be a fitting flagship for an Empress. It would be interesting, but how does this throw Voqler for a loop? So there’s a Sarcophagus ship in both universes? I guess it raises the question of Mirror T’Kuvma and what he is up to. If Voq is the leader of the rebels, what happened to T’Kuvma? As for why we didn’t see the ship firing on the planet below, I’m pretty sure it was mentioned on Aftertrek that ... [SPOILER ALERT] the ship firing on the planet was the ISS Defiant. The torpedos had a distinctly TOS sound to them not like the Sarcophagus ship. By the way, did anyone notice the gorn skeleton on board the ISS Shenzhou during Burnham’s talk with Lorca? Why would that be there? I guess Mirror Captain Burnham and Captain Lorca have similar decorating asthetics? Or was Lorca in command of the Shenzhou when he rebelled against the Empress?
  25. What was the last non-Trek tv show you watched?

    Just watched Season 4, Episode 1 of Black Mirror, “USS Callister.” It’s a very interesting episode that includes a dark parody of Star Trek. I’m a little uncomfortable with its treatment of fandom and geek culture. But overall, it is expertly produced science fiction with a fair share of twists and turns.