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  1. Episode 1.9: “Into the Forest I Go” Discussion Thread

    My husband didn't feel well enough to watch this episode the day it was released, but he didn't want me to watch it without him, so I didn't get to see it until last night. Finally!!! God, what an episode! From Culber and Stamets kissing to Stamets hanging limply in the chamber to Tyler's PTSD flashbacks to Lorca's manipulation of Stamets to Burnham's insisting on going on the mission to Burnham's stalling for time by calling out Kol to getting Cornwall back alive to Tyler's confession to Burnham ... damn, that was something! I have an idea about the Tyler-is-Voq theory. I'm not saying that this IS what's happening, but it's something that COULD be happening, and it would fit with what we know about the writer's overall intentions for the show. Many Americans have been suspicious of Muslims for awhile, and men who LOOK as if they MIGHT be Muslim have been harassed at airports, followed on the street, and treated badly, even though most American Muslims are perfectly ordinary citizens, just like everybody else. We know that the writers of Discovery are interested in giving the show some social commentary. Shazad Latif looks like the kind of man who is getting harassed on "suspicion of being Muslim" these days. What if the writers left a trail of breadcrumbs to make us THINK that Tyler was probably Voq, when he's actually an innocent man who has already been through hell by being in Klingon custody for 7 months? The entire fandom is suspicious of this man who's been tortured and raped, and won't we feel bad if the poor guy is exactly who he seems to be? What if that suspicion IS the point? Perhaps all of those clues suggesting that Tyler might be Voq are a subtle attempt to make Americans re-think their reflexive suspicion of men who look like Shazad Latif? What if the message is, "Look, you suspected this guy, and he's a big damn hero who survived seven months of captivity, torture and rape? All that suspicion was for nothing! Aren't you ashamed of yourselves? And wouldn't you like to stop being reflexively suspicious of men who look like Shazad Latif?"
  2. Episode 1.8: “Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum” Discussion Thread

    My husband said of this week's episode, "It was pretty cheesy, but at least it was Star Trek-flavored cheese."
  3. I thought of Mr. Picard numerous times during this episode, given his fears about Lorca. But in spite of dying 53 times, Lorca makes it to the end of the episode. I'm too sleepy to say anything substantive about the episode tonight, but I wanted Mr. Picard to know I was thinking of him.
  4. Episode 1.6 "Lethe" Discussion Thread

    That's a good point. She knows him well, so she knows just talking with him won't get him to reveal anything. It's possible that she DID sent a report back to Starfleet Command, but it will take awhile to get back to headquarters. We could very well have the fallout from her visit in the next episode or the one after that. Hmm. We're getting a chapter break in a couple of weeks; that could be a cliffhanger right about then -- Lorca is removed from command; come back in January to find out more. In TOS, they were far enough away that it often took weeks for them to hear back from Starfleet Command about something, whereas in Disco, they seem to have instantaneous communication to everywhere. So I'm not sure I understand what the limitations are in Disco, but presumably there are some; drama works better that way. I agree! Anytime two people seem to care about one another, the fandom shouts, "I ship them!" And yeah, that can be fun and all, but I think it's actually a bad idea for people to believe that only romantic love is real or that only sexual love is important. Sure, sex and romance are lovely, and I hope everyone who wants a romantic relationship has one. But other kinds of love are also valid and important, and one can love a person without necessarily wanting to get into their pants. I think our society could use more examples of fraternal love. Most of the time that we saw Kirk kissing some woman he just met five minutes ago, he was kissing her for mission-related reasons -- to distract the woman, to secure her help, to gain more information about the situation, to stall for time, and so on. Kirk's charisma is evidently quite a serious weapon. And sometimes (as with Deela, Nona, Helen, and Elaan), he was drugged or forced. If you go through all 79 episodes and count up the number of women that Kirk kisses willingly AND for non-mission-related reasons, there are actually only FIVE: Areel Shaw, Ruth, Edith Keeler, Miramanee, and Rayna. Considering that he'd lost his memory when he was with Miramanee and that Ruth was an amusement-park android, it's not clear that either of them should really count ... which reduces the total to three. Not a whole lot for a thirty-four-year-old man over the course of three years! But then starship captains are busy folks. Yes, I was mostly teasing about how Kirk should have been a basket case; I know the characters were essentially reset to baseline at the beginning of every episode. But it can be interesting to think about just how MUCH those people went through. A lot of folks think theirs would be a wonderful life, but would it really? I was assuming that Michael's parents left a will in which they designated Sarek and Amanda as Michael's guardians if they themselves were killed. Parents of young children can do that, at least in the present day, and it doesn't usually require a whole lot of evaluation for the parents' will to be carried out. Michael's parents probably didn't expect to be murdered, after all, and they may have thought that people who chose to be in a mixed human-Vulcan marriage would treat Michael as a human and not as a Vulcan. I dunno why Amanda is just rolling over and letting Sarek do whatever he wants; maybe we'll get more on that in a future episode. That's possible, but I'd think it would take quite a long time to train a child who's lived for several years as a human to behave as a Vulcan. Try behaving as a Vulcan for the next week and see how easy it is. I imagine it would take her entire childhood to turn her into a good little Vulcan, given that she wasn't trained that way from birth. I agree SO much! If Tyler turns out to be a Klingon in disguise, he's WAY too good at acting like a human for someone who just learned how. I'd much rather he turn out to be just a nice guy. I've seen pretty much nothing, because of living in a TV-free household for a couple of decades, but I already like Shazad Latif, just in what I've seen so far, so I hope they don't squander his likeability by throwing him away. That's a great idea, Sehlat! It seems like it would take a lot of the steam out of the whole Klingon war thread, though. All this build up, just to get a defector aboard the ship? But I guess it could work if it was written properly. Actually, I sorta want to go write it myself now. "Ballet jogging" is a great phrase! You win the internet for today. I saw an interview with Zachary Quinto around the time of Into Darkness where he said that he was required to have a running coach to film the scene where he chases John Harrison down, and he said, "Hey, I've been running since I was little; I don't need to be TAUGHT how to run!" So they filmed a sample of him running and played it back for him, and he said, "Okay, bring on the coach." Evidently most people kind of flap around when they run, and while this is perfectly normal, it looks crappy on camera. So there are people who teach actors how to run with no extraneous motion for the camera. I'm guessing Sonequa Martin-Green has been severely coached.
  5. Episode 1.6 "Lethe" Discussion Thread

    I think Kirk or Picard would be monitoring what they saw as the greatest threat, and that's exactly what Lorca did. I believe he saw Cornwell as a threat to his captaincy -- rightly so -- and he did whatever was necessary to disarm her and get her to sympathize with him. When that wasn't enough to keep his captaincy safe, he knowingly sent her off to be captured by Klingons. Lorca wasn't relaxing and goofing off with Cornwell; he was attending to what he perceived to be the greatest threat.
  6. Episode 1.6 "Lethe" Discussion Thread

    Well, Cornwell used to be some kind of psychologist. I've only seen EP 6 once, and you've seen it twice, so I don't remember exactly what she and Lorca say about her having been a psychologist -- do you remember what they said about that? In our era, clinical psychologists are trained both in testing/evaluation and in psychotherapy. (In our era, psychiatrists and social workers are trained to do enough evaluation to diagnose a client, but they aren't trained in psychological testing; that's exclusively the province of psychologists.) I suppose it's possible that those have split into two by the 23rd century, and Cornwell has only been trained in testing/evaluation, and the psychotherapy branch of the field has been allowed to languish. But isn't Deanna Troi a psychotherapist in the 24th century? That would require that they get rid of therapy before the 23rd, then re-invent it by the 24th, which could happen but seems kinda improbable to me. I'm actually sort of assuming that they develop a really FABULOUS treatment for trauma by the 23rd century, or Jim Kirk should have been gibbering in a corner by the end of the first season alone. Being split into halves by the transporter, having to kill his good friend on Delta Vega, being duplicated as an android by Korby, undergoing Adams' neural neutralizer, having his ship stolen by the one man he thought he could always trust, facing the mass murderer of his youth, being court martialed, nearly being decompressed to death, seeing his brother and sister-in-law die, having to let Edith Keeler die for the greater good ... if they don't have AMAZINGLY EFFECTIVE treatment for trauma, then Jim Kirk isn't actually human. I don't think it takes any kind of mental health professional to think that training an orphan to stifle her emotions right after both her parents were murdered is a bad idea. Sarek is so gung-ho Vulcan repression that I don't really expect him to think of this, which is why I'm blaming Amanda -- SHE should know better. Sheesh. It's so obvious that I really hope the writers have something else up their sleeve. Maybe Tyler and Lorca are BOTH Klingons in disguise, and the real Lorca is still on the Klingon prison ship. Maybe (now fake) Lorca is Voq, and Tyler's just a really great guy. I dunno, but like you, I'm really hoping that the big revelation isn't that Tyler is Voq. The twist with Sarek in the most recent episode was cool enough that I'm cautiously hopeful about the whole Tyler thing.
  7. Rank The Star Trek Films

    Aw, thanks; you made my day! And thanks for your thoughts on the TNG movies. It'll be awhile until I get to watch those, but it sounds like few of them are "must-see" material.
  8. Episode 1.6 "Lethe" Discussion Thread

    You guys have already said a lot of the things I was thinking about this episode, but I also have a few thoughts I haven't seen yet. 1. What the @#$% is Amanda thinking? I can buy her allowing SPOCK to be raised as a pure Vulcan. He's half Vulcan already, he's being raised on Vulcan, and it's hard to form an identity as a hybrid unless there are enough other hybrids to form a viable community. So yeah, if he's the only human-Vulcan hybrid in existence, or if there are only a couple of hundred human-Vulcan hybrids, then he'll probably need to choose. And since he's living on Vulcan and looks Vulcan, it only makes sense for him to choose to be Vulcan. But Michael? Michael is pure human. At the time she comes to live with Sarek and Amanda, her parents were just murdered. Let's take a traumatized human orphan and train her that she's not allowed to have any feelings. Gee, that's a great idea! What could go wrong, right? I realize that Amanda has drunk the Vulcan Kool-aid to some extent, since she tells Kirk in "Journey to Babel" that the Vulcan way is "a better way than ours." But she also clearly still behaves as a human, herself, and she proclaims at the end of the episode that she's "sick to death of logic," so she's not living as a Vulcan, herself. What human woman would ask a newly orphaned human child to give up her feelings and behave as a Vulcan, especially when there's a human woman right there to serve as mentor and role model? I'm afraid this paints a really nasty picture of Amanda! 2. The first time we see two people in a sexual situation in Discovery, it's a 57-year-old actress and a 54-year-old actor! (We saw Stanmets and Culber together, but while brushing their teeth together is intimate, it's not sexual.) American society mostly pretends that women over fifty have no sexuality to speak of, or if they do, it's either laughable or pathetic. And while -- as Robin Bland has so capably pointed out -- it's both stupid and unethical for any kind of mental health professional to have sex with a client, Cornwell's sexuality isn't played for laughs here, it's treated seriously. That won't be hailed by the masses in the same way that Stanmets' sexuality was, but it's very nearly as ground-breaking. I was willing to forgive how stupid and unethical it was for Cornwell to have sex with Lorca, just for that. 3. I thought there were three things I wanted to say when I began this post, but my middle-aged brain seems to have lost one of them. Oh, well. I guess I can post again if it comes to me.
  9. The Gabriel Lorca Topic (SPOILERS INCLUDED)

    CBS is throwing a TON of money at Discovery. I mean, they filmed in freaking Jordan, for heaven's sake, whereas TOS got the Vasquez Rocks. Perhaps they couldn't afford Michelle Yeoh AND Jason Isaacs, but they've killed off Georgiou, so they only have Isaacs at this point. I very much doubt that they'll get rid of Lorca for budgetary reasons.
  10. The Gabriel Lorca Topic (SPOILERS INCLUDED)

    To bring in a separate fandom, but one we're probably all familiar with and one that's definitely familiar to Mr. Isaacs , I think Lorca is the first Slytherin captain. And that's kind of chilling, because the Star Trek universe loves Gryffindor and Ravenclaw and has room for Hufflepuff, but Slytherins are usually the people we're fighting against (like the Orion guy made up to look like an Andorian in "Journey to Babel"). Personally, I'm mostly Ravenclaw with Gryffindorish and Hufflepuffian elements to my character, but I have almost no Slytherin in me. And that makes Slytherin characters the object of horrified fascination for me -- I want to understand how and why people can be like that.
  11. The Gabriel Lorca Topic (SPOILERS INCLUDED)

    Heh. So true! Discovery is the first new TV I've watched in decades, so I don't know much about the Emmy rules these days. I hope being on CBS All Access won't make him ineligible?
  12. The Gabriel Lorca Topic (SPOILERS INCLUDED)

    I'm female, so I was really excited when I heard that the main character in Discovery would be a woman. Although I'm white, I've spent considerable time and effort fighting against various kinds of prejudice, including teaching a course I designed called The Psychology of Stereotyping and Prejudice, back when I was a college professor. So I was very happy when they announced that Discovery's lead would be a woman of color. This makes me sort of sad to admit that although I think Sonequa Martin-Green is doing a nice job with what they give her to play, the character I find riveting is Gabriel Lorca. I don't know if it's because the writers are giving him such interesting stuff to do, because there's a mystery about his character's motivations and ultimate goals, or if it's because Jason Isaacs is just that good, but the character I can't look away from, the character I find myself thinking about, the character I want to see more of is Lorca. And unlike this thread's enthusiastic originator, I'm not finding Lorca riveting because of any sexual attraction to the man. Since I'm just barely bisexual -- I'm mostly a lesbian -- very few men appeal to me sexually, with Spock being a truly enormous exception. (I'm not actually sexually attracted to any of the Discovery characters at this point, though if I were forced to choose one at phaserpoint to go to bed with, it would be Tilly, even though she's way too young for me.) I could argue that a zillion years of watching TOS have trained me to believe that the captain is the most important character, but that doesn't hold up because my favorite TOS character has always been Spock. I mean, I do like and admire Jim Kirk, but I adore and worship Spock, so there's a bit of a difference in degree there. Thoughts? I'm hoping that this isn't internalized sexism or something, that Lorca really IS more interesting at this point, possibly because of that mystery about him, possibly because of Isaacs' intensity, possibly because Martin-Green is mostly being quasi-Vulcan at the moment. Dear Mr. Nimoy was able to give Spock a lot of intensity even as he also gave him a Vulcan restraint so clear as to be nearly tangible. Other actors haven't seemed to be able to give us Vulcan restraint on the surface with that sense of boiling lava at the core, the way Mr. Nimoy did. (I actually have no clue how he managed such a feat, but then acting is a total mystery to me, anyway.)
  13. Episode 1.6 "Lethe" Discussion Thread

    The football team my husband roots for played tonight, so he couldn't watch the most recent episode with me when it went live, and he didn't want me to watch it without him, so I'm waiting until tomorrow night to watch it. I think this should give me roughly 100 Good Spouse points. *tries to wait patiently*
  14. The Gabriel Lorca Topic (SPOILERS INCLUDED)

    I get the impression that you're observing our dear captain VERY carefully.
  15. The Gabriel Lorca Topic (SPOILERS INCLUDED)

    Oooh, good point!
  16. Most people remember the "11 years, 4 months, 5 days" that Spock says he served with Pike but forget about the Talos IV adventure happening 13 years ago. Since I've only watched a little bit of non-TOS Trek, I don't have as many details to remember as the rest of you. I would have been happy to have gotten a whole series about THAT. But only with Mr. Nimoy, so only in our dreams. Yeah. I wonder if we're just going to have to overlook the inconsistency, or if it will all be explained somehow. I hope they don't claim that Spock did something awful or otherwise mess with what we already know. No, no -- bite your tongue! TWO additional children is already one too many (and I don't mean Burnham. )
  17. The Gabriel Lorca Topic (SPOILERS INCLUDED)

    I hope not! They shouldn't know that for another ten or eleven years. Very much agreed.
  18. The Gabriel Lorca Topic (SPOILERS INCLUDED)

    I've read that the surname of the actor credited for Voq is the same as the REAL name of the actor who plays Tyler. Voq is told that he'll have to give up "everything" in order to follow L'Rell's plan, and that would sure be "everything." I'm hoping that Tyler ISN'T Voq, because the theory seems to be very popular with fans, and I'd like to see the writers surprise us.
  19. Rank The Star Trek Films

    I've only seen the six movies that feature the TOS cast, since I'm still working my way through non-TOS Star Trek (and now there's Discovery, which is bumped to the top of my "must-watch" list). To me, the movies feel very different than TV-era TOS; the characters feel like different people, and I don't watch the movies very often. Why would I watch the movies when I could watch "Journey to Babel" or "Amok Time" or "The Devil in the Dark" or "Mirror, Mirror"? So I have a different relationship to the movies than I think most Star Trek fans do, to the extent that most of the time, I pretend that the movies never happened. In fact, I think so poorly of the first movie that I wrote a story called "Spock vs. Roddenberry," in which Spock neck-pinches Gene Roddenberry and writes a new script for TMP. (It's only around 2000 words, if you want to check it out.) So, the movies that I've seen: 1. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home -- While I usually prefer serious Star Trek to funny Star Trek, this is the movie in which the characters feel the most in character to me, maybe because it's the one dear Mr. Nimoy directed after the studio realized that he understood Star Trek and gave him his head. I love it that there's no villain in this movie (unless you consider human greed and short-sightedness to be the villain); I think requiring a bad guy for every single movie is a mistake, and I'm thrilled that Mr. Nimoy showed that one can make great Trek without one. 2. Star Trek III: The Search for Spock -- Spock is barely in the movie, which is a drawback for me, but I like the "caper" feel to the movie, I like it that every member of the cast gets something to do (Mr. Nimoy's Mission: Impossible days stood him in good stead there), and I love the fact that Spock remembers Kirk's name before he even remembers his own. How heart-warming can you get? This is the one I watched the day Leonard Nimoy died. 3. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan -- I realize that this is at the top of most fans' list, but I have trouble really enjoying a movie where Spock dies, even if he goes out as a noble hero. I haven't been able to watch this one since Mr. Nimoy died. I also think that Khan's quest for revenge make no sense and that Ricardo Montalban's performance is overwrought. (Yes, I know this would be considered sacrilege by many fans. Sue me. ) 4. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country -- Judged just as a MOVIE, I think this is the best of the lot. Judged as STAR TREK, this feels like it's slandering all of the characters. Everyone but Spock acts horribly prejudiced here, and while the movie does teach us some lessons through it, in "Day of the Dove," the characters had to be mind-controlled by an alien entity to be so prejudiced, whereas in this movie, they do it all by themselves. I feel as if someone's thrown mud on my heroes. Yes, it's more realistic than some other Star Trek. Yes, real people do have prejudices. But part of why I like TOS is because those heroes give us something to aspire to. I'm an atheist, so I don't have saints I can use as "too good to actually achieve, but it gives us something to strive for" role models. I don't actually want the TOS cast to be too realistic. (It's okay with me if the Discovery characters are realistic, because I'm not eleven anymore. But the TOS characters are sacrosanct to me.) At least Spock was still good... 5. Star Trek: The Motion Picture -- This movie makes me crazy. Starfleet promoted its best captain to admiral before he was even 40? While it's true that they desperately need some admirals who aren't stupid or insane or something, they can have a whole lotta Kirk time after he turns 50 and is too old to keep fist-fighting alien invaders or whatever. Plus, while Spock never seemed entirely at ease about the whole human-Vulcan hybrid thing, the guy I saw in "Turnabout Intruder" was WAY too attached to his human friends -- especially Kirk -- to go off and pretend they don't exist anymore. So I don't buy the premise of this movie from the outset, and everyone but McCoy feels out of character. Add in the fact that it's a retread of "The Changeling" -- which I've already seen several times, thanks -- and this movie feels like a very expensive mistake. Nice starship porn, though. 6. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier -- This movie was both stupid and mean-spirited. It makes fun of the characters and has everyone betraying Kirk, when we know from "Space Seed" that Kirk's crew would rather be put to death than betray him. Plus, the idea that a Vulcan would believe that God exists in a specific place that one can get to with a space ship ... you're kidding, right? I do like the idea that we need our pain, and I do like, "What does God need with a starship," but those two things aren't enough to justify a movie. As far as I'm concerned, this movie is proof that no matter how great Shatner was at portraying Kirk, he doesn't actually "get" Star Trek. Oh, and I guess I've also seen the reboots. I liked the first one in spite of some MAJOR problems with it, and I also liked Star Trek Beyond. Like the script writers for Star Trek Beyond, I think we should just pretend that Into Darkness never existed. I guess it'll be awhile before I get to watch the TNG movies, but it seems as if most of them aren't that great?
  20. Pike is in command of the Enterprise, and Spock is already on board it with him. During "The Menagerie," in the first season of TOS, Spock narrates the events shown in the previous visit to Talos IV and says that they took place "13 years ago." If those events took place thirteen years before Season 1 of TOS, then they should have happened roughly three years before Discovery. So Spock is already the science officer of the Enterprise and has already been to Talos IV, even.
  21. Episode 1.5 "Choose Your Pain" Discussion Thread

    Given Captain Lorca's utilitarianism, it seems quite possible that there'll be a mutiny sooner or later, and it seems as if most of us are expecting Burnham to lead the mutiny, to bookend her earlier one. And then it occurred to me -- what if Saru starts the mutiny, and Burnham joins in? I know that Burnham is the main character, but I think she'd need Lorca to do a really huge and terrible thing in order to mutiny a second time. But if Saru begins it and she joins in, that lays the ground for him to understand her in a way that he doesn't now and for them to become the close and unbeatable team that I think they could become. The first officer IS supposed to question the captain's actions when the XO thinks those actions are wrong, so it would be more legitimate for Saru to displace the captain than for anyone else to do so. And his action in freeing the tardigrade before Lorca was cleared to resume command suggests that he's already begun trying to work around Lorca.... I would love to see the scene where Saru recruits Burnham to help him mutiny against Lorca; the dramatic and character-building possibilities are rich. Or maybe all of this just means that it's been too long since I wrote any fan fiction.
  22. Episode 1.5 "Choose Your Pain" Discussion Thread

    Oh, absolutely! Matt Decker was preferable in every way! And I certainly can't blame a captain for losing it when he has to watch his entire crew die. But if you think about what KIRK went through in Season 1 alone, the man is inhumanly resilient. From killing Gary Mitchell to being divided into "good" and "evil" halves by the transporter to having his mind emptied by Adams' neural neutralizer to confronting his past when trying to catch Kodos to having his own first officer commit mutiny to going back in time hundreds of years to being court martialled to nearly being decompressed to death to watching his brother and sister-in-law die to having to let Edith Keeler die ... Kirk has been through WAY more than Decker, just in a single season. Given that admirals have to make hard choices and are responsible for the fate of hundreds of planets, a man who cracks under pressure -- no matter how understandable that is -- is probably not the best possible choice. But then, there aren't very many people like Jim Kirk.
  23. Episode 1.5 "Choose Your Pain" Discussion Thread

    I guess we're lucky Ron Tracey and Matt Decker didn't end up as admirals...
  24. I madly adore "Journey to Babel." I'm amazed that Dorothy Fontana managed to pack so much into the episode, without making it confusing or rushed. How did you DO all of that, Dorothy Catherine? And when you were all of 28 at the time? Spock's parents. The remaining two founding members of the Federation. Lots of other Federation members in the background. A murder mystery. Spock being all self-sacrificing and noble. Kirk being all self-sacrificing and noble. Kirk being a tactical genius again. McCoy getting to be an actual physician for a change, instead of just reminding us that he's one. Spock reconciling with his father. (And sehlats! ) Did I mention that I totally adore this episode? I could probably watch it every day and not get tired of it, but I try to limit myself to once a year or so, just to make sure I don't wear it out completely. It's true that it'll be interesting to see if something happens that makes Sarek bitter, but Spock's already IN Starfleet at the time of Discovery and has been in it for a few years now. So Sarek has already disowned Spock for joining Starfleet, even while he's approving of Burnham's service there. *checks self* Yep, I'm still carrying a grudge against Sarek for the way he treats Spock in this episode. My loyalty is hard to shake.
  25. Episode 1.5 "Choose Your Pain" Discussion Thread

    Rescuing Mudd would have been the right thing to do. I was glad Lorca didn't -- I've hated Harry Mudd since "Mudd's Women," so long ago, and I've never understood why so many Trek fans see him as "lovable" -- but it IS disturbing that a Starfleet captain would leave a Federation citizen in Klingon hands. Sure, throw him in the brig once you get him back -- the brig is definitely the right place for the likes of Harry Mudd -- but while I cheered Lorca's leaving him behind at the time, in the light of day, it was actually a pretty disturbing thing for him to do. I can imagine Kirk's rescuing Mudd while saying sourly "Much as it pains me to admit it, you ARE a Federation citizen" or "Even the likes of you shouldn't be left in Klingon hands" or something like that. And yeah, I'm afraid I don't trust Tyler. I've even seen a theory that he might be Voq. But I'm pretty sure Lorca won't trust him, either; I doubt Lorca does trust all that easily. I was glad to see Stanmets with Culber at the end, but they didn't seem all that warm with one another. Maybe that's because Stanmets is supposed to be a fairly cold kind of person, but I was hoping for them to be a lot sweeter together than they seemed. I’d read that the two actors had been friends for a long time, so I was hoping to see more chemistry between them. Or maybe that's about the new DNA, too. I guess we'll see!