Midknight123

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  1. Kirk's relationship with Janice Lester

    I remember "Maude" very differently than you. This was the same Maude who usurped her husband constantly and went on to have television's first ever abortion (long before other TV shows could even say the word, let alone depict it). She broke the mold as a feminist character; especially in the 1970s. "Maude" was FAR more groundbreaking than you give it credit for being. It was the spinoff of the equally challenging comedy "All in the Family" (a show as topical today as it was 40 years ago). I used to watch those (and MASH) as a kid. If only comedies today were 1/10th as challenging as the sitcoms of that era. Now they're all about groups of attractive 20-somethings standing around couches trading silly bon mots with each other... ST's Uhura (as much as I loved her) was little more than a galactic switchboard operator; more groundbreaking for her presence than any actual duties (and it was only in TAS' "The Lorelei Signal" that we ever saw her take the conn). I never wrote that Maude wasn't liberal, because she certainly was and actually agreed with her about 90% of the time on issues. And I also didn't write that she wasn't a feminist. But she certainly wasn't independent and that's what I wrote about her. Arthur's 2nd character of Dorothy on The Golden Girls (from the more conservative era of the 1980's) was much more independent -- and Dorothy certainly didn't go around marrying more men after Stan except the guy near the end of the series run in 1992. And Dorothy was equally, if not even more of a liberal and a feminist than Maude was and that was much more difficult to be in the 1980's then in the 1970's. And we have a difference of opinion about Uhura. But I certainly wouldn't write that Uhura was subservant to the men on the show. (And yeah that includes on TAS.) And I wouldn't put down that she was a switchboard operator, switchboard operators put up with a lot of flack back then and earlier but weren't afraid to use and speak their mind (on that I'd go to Lily Tomlin's Earnestine character that she first presented on Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In the first time during the fall after Star Trek left the air in 1969.) By the way I was raised by a single mother, due to being a widow from the time I was 8 years old in the middle of the 1970's that's why I think I can write with some clarity that Maude was NOT independent, she may have been liberal and a feminist, in thought, I'll give you that, but she always did that in the fact she needed a man -- therefore her many marriages -- so unlike my mom at the time and so unlike Arthur's later character of Dorothy. And similar to Uhura in the last decade my mom had to take a job where she was rather second to many men, but she took initiative as well when she needed to and my mom was later a big fan of the Janeway character on Voyager.
  2. Kirk's relationship with Janice Lester

    I don't know... Roddenberry seemed rather uncomfortable or out-of-his-depth with women; all his female characters were pretty, but usually somewhat lacking in the brains department. They were usually depicted as the caring, sensitive, emotional type that invariably needs rescuing by the strong males. - It may be just the nature of TV in his lifetime, but I'm not sure he truly viewed them as equals. - Uhura, Rand and Chapel on TOS - never once were any of them put in any kind of authority position (even an irregular redshirt was given command before Uhura was). Same with Troi and Crusher on TNG. Number One was the only exception that comes to mind. I think the line in question was purely sexist (as I think even Roddenberry later admitted). You can interpret it how you like in retrospect, but I'm fairly sure the original meaning was that women couldn't captain a starship. That was my take on it; she said 'your world of starfleet captains doesn't allow women.' It seemed pretty unambiguous (and contradictory of "The Cage" as well). But this is why I have my mental 'pick & choose' canon (the same way people do with "Spock's Brain" or some of the movies). What my brain heard (deliberately incorrectly) was "your world of starship captains didn't allow ME!" Which makes it more palatable to my old brain.... Kidding aside, this is one of the many situations where a retcon is not unwelcome. And you're right Zef'No; the standards for women on TV at that time were fairly limited. Even women leads in US TV shows like "That Girl" or "Julia" or "Honey West" (a female detective long before Charlie's Angels) were still testing parameters as to how far they could go. Even '70s icon "Mary Tyler Moore" was originally supposed to be a divorcee until the network balked and made her a never married 'single gal' instead (the sight of an independent career woman living happily without a man was inconceivable to male network execs, I suppose...). Women in the '60s were nowhere near as empowered as they are today. Lest anyone forget; TOS ST was from the era of "Bewitched" and "I Dream of Jeannie"; where two virtually OMNIPOTENT women have their powers (i.e. their sexual identity as well) kept in check by the powerless men in their lives (Darren telling Sam, "I forbid it!" when she can wish him into the cornfield any time she chooses; ridiculous!). Or an immortal genie (blonde, blue-eyed, BTW) forced to live in her bottle and call Major Nelson her 'master.' NONE of that s#!t would fly today, and rightly so. Say what you will about current TV (I happen to enjoy much of it; "Walking Dead," "Mad Men" etc), but you never have to worry about a woman 'getting out of line' with her man, or some other stoopid sexist crap... I wanted to briefly chime in on this one. (BTW, the other problem CBS execs had with making Mary Tyler Moore's Mary Richards a divorcee instead of a never married single woman is that they were worried that the audience would interpret that she had divorced Dick Van Dyke's 1960's Rob Petrie, even though Moore was playing entirely different character than Laura Petrie -- yes, network thought that us audience was that dumb at the time. And btw, even the other liberal woman of the 1970's, Bea Arthur's Maude was very submissive to her many husbands and Arthur really wouldn't play true strong independent woman until she was one of the 1980's Golden Girls, Dorothy.) As far as TOS, though, one of the things you do have to give them and Roddenberry credit for, even if she was somewhat submissive to the men around her, Uhura was actually in my opinion two decades ahead of many women characters on TV if not real life women in the fact that she was able to fight back and even sometimes rise above in intellect and knowing right from wrong than many of the men on the show. (I mean look at the way she handled herself in Mirror, Mirror, definitely my fave for Uhura as well as Nichols or how she was even more intellectual then Spock in asking the right questions, at first, in That Which Survives -- Spock literally came across as more dumb, at first, in that episode which was very unusual at that time in the 1960's to see on TV; granted in the 1960's we never got to see Uhura or any female in the Trek universe reach Captain but I dare say I wouldn't want to AS A MAN to get into a intellectual discussion {or match wits} with Uhura or get into a fight with her -- again very unusual for a women in the 1960's let alone an African-American woman on TV of that era.) And I would argue that even Charlie's Angels or even a bit earlier, Police Woman Pepper (played by Angie Dickinson) in the next decade weren't at all up to Uhura's level and weren't really that much of a moving the true spirit of equality for women along on TV. I would dare say that the first time that I saw a woman on TV being an equal to a man wouldn't happen until very late in the 1970's, 1979, with Stephanie Powers in Hart to Hart. That was one of the reasons why that show Hart to Hart was one of the my favorites of all-time. Both the Harts were true equals and were truly matched in strength and intellect (kudos to Robert Wagner for playing the other half of that couple.) But in many ways it was not until the 1980's, two decades after TOS (and yes that includes TNG) that really got to see on TV that strong of independent women as what should have been seen via Roddenberry in TOS. But as far as Lester's comment, I like the interpretation, because she didn't actually literally say that women weren't allowed to be starship Captains in Starfleet, but that there wasn't time for a woman (and I'm assuming that was true if it was a woman Captain for a man in her life, i.e. look at how Voyager's Janeway had to deal with that issue and that was three decades after TOS and well into the next century in the Trek universe) in the "life" of male Captain.
  3. Could TAS be reanimated?

    I'm with you, Sherlock. If they re-animate TAS, it will almost certainly be CGI stuff. I am not interested in CGI animation at all, so, no thanks. No TAS for me, then. (I've actually still not seen TAS in its entirety, lol.) I loved the X Men animated series when I was a kid, btw. Oh, those were the days. Well, actually there is some guy who has released a few episodes of new animated ST stuff. I'm forgetting his name off the top of my head, but he's stuck with the animation from the original TAS -- love his rendition of an animated Flint from TOS' Requiem for Methuselah quite good and very much in keeping with TAS standards. Wish he had more voice actors to work with (he's the only one voicing all the characters and he can't afford to do otherwise at this point, would love to see some others join with him for even free to help him with the voices of the characters) that could sound as much as possible to the original cast of both TOS and TAS. I'll try to find the link to his website and post it here, soon. Would love to see his new TAS episodes get some respect and inclusion to have more fandom -- AND no, I'm not him. Okay, that's Curt Danhauser, who is a personal friend of Michael & Denise Okuda, who has on-line, including on youtube 2 new animated ST episodes (TAS style) - - although I wish Curt would finish Ptolemy Wept the episode with the return of Flint from TOS' Requiem for Methuselah (love that Flint was also big band leader Glenn Miller in one of his past lives that was cool out of Curt to do that -.) Again, I wish others would help Curt with the voices for the characters, although he does really well with the voices, especially with the really humorous, tongue-firmly-in-cheek short The Element of Surprise, I'd love especially for the women characters of M'Ress, Uhura and Chapel if he had some other voice actors (even fans or unprofessionals),, so that's why I'm plugging his effort here, to help with the voices. Anyway here is his website for the series: www.danhausertrek.com/AnimatedSeries/NewEps.html Again, kudos to Curt for doing that!
  4. I'd agree with that. I essentially selectively decanonize things as I watch them and they don't gel with my vision of things (like Nemesis is canon but theres stuff in there that I'd just as soon pretend some things in there didn't happen). I consider TAS to essentially be a 4th season of TOS (and I sort of feel as if the movies are like a final season for the original crew). So I think it's as canon as anything else. It doesn't do anything so out there and goofy that I need it to be ousted. Canon debates always seem odd to me, if it works for you it can be canon, and if it doesn't pretend it didn't happen. I liked it so it's canon! "Yay brother! We reach...." For me? "Canon" is whatever the hell I want it to be. I can ignore ST5 and most of VGR, and I can enjoy TAS (which I too, consider a '4th season' of ST; just as I consider the Phase 2 fan films to be a fifth season). I enjoy them, therefore (to me) they are. I think ST fans (all of us) just need to loosen up a bit.... ST 'history' is fictional; and hardly written in stone. I like this idea. After all, if we think about it everything that happened with Khan, in both the original version and the reboot in another alternate reality, could be decanonized because it really is far-fetched to believe that the events that happened with Khan's rise in what Roddenberry himself had was suppose to happen in the 1990's was later canonized as happening in secret and without many people's knowledge and that's why the Voyager two-part episode, Future's End was able to take place, for the most part, in a 1990's (the actual for the most part real 1990's) where no one ever heard of Khan and his disciples. I know we have conspiracy theories in reality, but I just can't imagine, at all, that a person like Khan or his disciples and the Botany Bay ship could be launched in so much secrecy. Just would stretch the imagination and those conspiracy theories to a ridiculous degree. So, I agree canon should be what you want to make it. Star Trek is fictional -- although for the most part it is a type of tuture that I would hope humans would get to at some point in time (it's so much more positive and hopeful altogether for humans and their future then much of science fiction is) that all this stupidity about what is canon and what isn't is just that: Stupidity. And as Spock might say, "Illogical."
  5. Or for that matter some of the VOY and ENT episodes.
  6. By Any Other Name

    Yes, but Barbara Bouchet was a serious childhood crush of mine. Right up there with Erin Gray (Wilma on Buck Rogers) and Linda Harrison (Nova on Planet of the Apes). I wonder how many of the crew men on the ship that the Kelvans considered non-essential were hoping that Kelinda was the one who neutralized/reduced them into those cubes? I'd know if I was a crew man on board during that episode's action I would have preferred neutralization by Kelinda over any of the other Kelvans. It's too bad they didn't show Kelinda (Bouchet) neutralize some of the crew -- especially the men.
  7. Charlie X

    I actually gave this a 9. For an early season 1 ep. this episode is really good at using the whole ship, which was unusual for early eps. We really didn't get to see as much of the ship, except in fellow early season 1 ep. The Naked Time until we got to season 2 -- so that almost makes this ep. amazing -- except I'm not fond that the main engineering wasn't seen and neither Scotty, Sulu or Lt. Kevin Riley are not in this episode. Would have loved to seen one or more of those three characters in this episode which we get to see in The Naked Time -- which I will rate a solid 10. I actually loved the mystery surrounding Charlie, and thought that he acted very much like what I would expect an isolated teen to act. Agree that the Thasians were one of the more interesting species the Enterprise encountered in the whole series. This is my favorite Janice Rand episode. And the bits between Uhura and Spock are wonderful. The only other nitpick I have about this episode is I so am upset that they never showed the rest of the ship being restored after the Thasians supposedly did so, except for the return of Janice. I really feel they should have showed that blue dress (sciences) crew woman get back her face and the yellow shirt (command) crew woman be returned as a younger woman.
  8. This Side of Paradise

    New to this site. My first post is on this episode. I rated this episode an "8", not too bad, but could have been little bit more. I have to admit I always loved the mutiny by many of the crew, especially Lt. Leslie's and Lt. Uhura's. Didn't like that we didn't get to see Scotty in this one, would have liked to seen him be sort of like drunk and in a fighting scene near the end. But I have a really odd, probably to others reason why I didn't rate this higher: I hate that we never again got to see Lt. Cmdr. Kelowitz (actor Grant Woods) after this episode and I'm not fond that this was final send-off from the series. I really feel that Grant Woods and Kelowitz could have been used in several season 2 eps and the fact that they never did bring him back was strange to me. And then October 1968 -- into the third season Woods was killed in that motorcycle accident.