The Founder

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    The Undiscovered Country
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  1. Episode 1.15 “Will You Take My Hand?” Discussion Thread

    Quinto as Spock Quinto doesn't rule it out, but he seems to think that they probably won't need him. Nimoy's son also is ok with a CGI Spock ...
  2. Star Wars: Solo

    Sadly, yes :/ I didn't say that this will destroy the franchise. If the prequels didn't - nothing will. Star Wars will always survive. But if backlash after backlash after backlash continues - then it could negatively impact the future of Star Wars as movies. The same way the big wigs behind DC movieverse has people wanting to walk back this franchise. It isn't getting the love they thought it would. It's still getting money, of course, but will always be told "You're no Marvel". That is an impact. Same with these new Star Wars movies constantly being told "You're not original trilogy". I don't want Star Wars to be "an event". In fact, I was so excited at the idea of a new trilogy, spin off films, and a possible t.v. show. I want to be over saturated with Star Wars. But I want GOOD Star Wars. Not garbage.
  3. The Federation-Klingon War in 2257 (SPOILERS)

    You won't get "new creative energy to flow" by creating a prequel. A prequel that is not a reboot. A prequel that is, by their own words, in the prime universe. That is the "trade off" of doing a prequel and it's sad that after ENT they didn't learn that lesson. A good writer can navigate this and have continuity to what came before (not asking for perfect, slavish alignment). In regards to the uniforms - I'm not asking for perfect alignment to the uniforms. The point I was making was the criticism that the old Star Trek is too archaic and silly looking to "modernize". We have to start from scratch. Abrams' visuals proved that is garbage. The last episode of DSC season 1 showed a perfect Enterprise. One that looks like an updated of the original. Hell - I'd argue it looks better than the Abrams' version. It can be done. It's not because they want to do a reboot without admitting it. I'm not bothered by the uniforms. I am saying that the argument that the uniforms, technology, ships, etc. cannot be modernized because they would be laughed off screen is not true. It can be done. It has been done by both DSC and Abrams. There is a choice being made to not even try. This choice will always be a detriment to some corner of fans. It is so peculiar that DSC can get some upgrades so right (The Enterprise and the Tellarites are examples of updates) but yet get some so horribly wrong (the Klingons).
  4. Star Wars: Solo

    I don't want Solo to fail and I think most fans don't want that either (even most of the critics). I think, however, there are those that want a message to be sent that these movies should be approached with much more care instead of making them yearly Transformer movies. So I don't think supporting this movie failing is a good idea, but if it's a success then Disney will think this is the direction they should keep going. It's a Catch 22 - either harm the SW brand by causing the movies to fail or let it continue to success with mediocrity (or terribleness with TLJ).
  5. Episode 1.15 “Will You Take My Hand?” Discussion Thread

    I'm (half) sorry to .... bring this up again, but .... It is absolutely baffling how DSC can get "updating" TOS-era ships so right ... but fail so miserably in other aspects. I haven't watched the episode but I saw a post on Facebook that showed the pictures of the Enterprise. And it looks .... so amazing. It easily disproves the notion that everything in Star Trek needs to be monstrously revamped to the point where it is completely unrecognizable. Yet ... they've updated the Enterprise yet it looks so recognizable. Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow. Who knew it was possible to update the old design but keep it true to the original? I thought that was just a fanboy's whiny dream...
  6. The Federation-Klingon War in 2257 (SPOILERS)

    Ultimately - I agree that we have different "limits". And that is ok. I'm not saying anyone is "wrong" to like this show. I too can stretch my imagination (up to a point). After all, I love DS9 - the show that "re-imagined" Trills radically from TNG. However, DSC has gone far beyond any limits of making the show link up to a prime universe. I'm not a fan of saying it's an alternate universe or time line unless the story says so. However, it is impossible to believe this will lead up to TNG/DS9/VOY. Hell, I find it hard to believe it will lead up to even TOS... They really should just say this is a reboot. I understood Behr's point. Like I said, I wasn't strict with DS9 changes. I understand fully that this an art form to a degree and requires less rigid interpretations. But again - I am not calling for that with DSC. I am asking for what they sold this product as before it aired - prime universe ten years before The Cage. Once thing I will say to your credit - a lot of you know TOS better than I do. So I am unfamiliar if DSC has cross the lines with the Klingon war. Honestly, from what little I know of TOS, I understood it as a war did occur with the Klingons. Picard (before Enterprise screwed this up) even said that first contact with the Klingons was disastrous and led to DECADES of war with the Klingons. My understanding was that it wasn't "skirmishes" and a "cold war" until Kirk's era. Even Axanar (I know - not canon) depicted a brutal, devastating war with the Klingons. But I feel we're kind of going in circles on this topic .... so as you said - agree to disagree. I find this interesting because in all the forums or comment sections I've read - I don't think I've read anyone advocating for it to look like the 1960s Star Trek in terms of production values. The average person is asking for what Abrams' Trek did with production values. It is what I am asking for as well. The top picture is an "updated" version of the below picture. Even if I never saw the new Abrams' Star Trek movies - I could easily tell they are meant to be a younger version of the second picture. The uniforms are similar but "updated" with better production values. I can tell this is meant to be a modern telling of the 1960s version. However, if someone showed me this picture with no context: There is no way in hell that I could figure out this is Star Trek (Prime time line) and a prequel at that. These uniforms match up with Star Trek: Enterprise uniforms more than TOS. That wouldn't be an issue if this was taking place ten years AFTER ENT rather then ten years BEFORE TOS. Don't even get me started on the technology that is decades more advanced than the Enterprise E. I don't think anyone is asking for TOS as it perfectly was. (outside of the fan film fans) .... If they wanted to make a Star Trek that is aligned with the Prime time line then what is the point of all these (pointless) changes?
  7. The Federation-Klingon War in 2257 (SPOILERS)

    I don't want to beat a dead horse on this, but I talked about this in one of the topics about DSC. I agree there is almost a spectrum of fans that have their own personal limits on what to accept and what not to. Some fans are grossly unreasonable and the slightest change is deemed a "betrayal" of Star Trek. However, on the other side of that spectrum, are fans that accept anything that comes from these writers even at the cost of what has been established. If some are the point where it is all being rationalized away as "a parallel time line" or saying that it is better to take what came before and making it fit with DSC (rather than DSC making itself fit with canon) - then the show is not in a good place. As for the comment about Ziyal - that is not the same thing at all. It's not absurd to accept they are the same character because they ARE the same character. I don't care if actors change because I am not so grossly unreasonable that I would say it ruins Ziyal. The character has not changed in the slightest in terms of her history, her personality, her current story. The loos are different but I understand that's because a new person took over the role. The same way I understand that Karl Urban is playing McCoy - despite the fact he looks nothing like DeForest Kelly. I am fine with that because A) everything else is the same and B) because I am fully away that he an actor playing a role .... The appeal to use our imagination misses the point. I'm using my imagination when I watch a universe with pointed-eared aliens and warp drives. Even the writers don't want us to take the "imagination" approach by their constant reassurance that this takes place in the same universe and that it will all connect at some undisclosed point in the future. So they're even acknowledging that this is disconnected to what came before and they will, for whatever reason, have to clean it all up. My point is this: if thy wanted to just do whatever they wanted. Fine. No reason to say this is all the same timeline. Just say they are going full circle and like TOS, will just make an episodic show and do what they want. Done. Problem solved. I don't see how this is an "absurd standard" - if writers want to get their hands on a popular franchise with an established history, but want to write a chunk of history that is not explored - then they should look to what is established already. To make it connect. Especially since these people bang on and on about how this is meant to be in the same universe/same time line as the TOS/TNG-era. I can't believe that this is being deemed unreasonable .... I can only speak for myself .... but this has nothing to do with any type of "fear". It simply is a desire to see continuity. Not rigid continuity (ex. Tuvok is a lieutenant commander, but in ONE scene, in one episode he had lieutenant pips on his neck). I mean - important aspects that have been deemed part of Trek lore. If they have no desire to follow said continuity - then they should simply say Trek no longer has any type of canon and is now a "Black Mirror" type show. Random episodes.
  8. Star Wars: Solo

    Longer Trailer I'm not sure how I feel about this. I want to like it but ... I'm still pissed about TLJ.
  9. The Federation-Klingon War in 2257 (SPOILERS)

    Again - I agree up to a point. There is a difference between upgrading aesthetics (ala JJ Abrams with the TOS movies) and completely transforming it to something unrecognizable. Plus, I'm not asking them to conform to 700 episodes. Only the ones that are relevant to what is going on in DSC. They don't need to watch an episode about Bajoran spirituality or research the history of that sludge that killed Tasha Yar. I'm guessing you're referring to the removal of Tom Bombadil?
  10. New Humans

    Thanks for the replies. Shame that only two replies came in ... The 100th "Why do Klingons look different?" topic gets more replies. Haha ... Oh well. Interesting points! For sure - I'm not implying that Roddenberry meant conservative in today's terms. In fact, I almost had to deprogram my mind a bit when reading that bold snippet because I kept applying it to modern day political terms. However, it is undeniable there is a certain overlap in today's ideas. The concept of being for the individual versus losing your own identity so that it is merged with a "group" is talked about even now. I find it fascinating to think that not all humans are the (excuse me for saying this) drones that prattle on about how life should only be to better Mankind. While I can appreciate the selfishness of today's humans has been... rendered obsolete - I find it slightly disheartening to think that all traces of what makes us ... well .... us has been erased. It is interesting to think that Kirk's brand of Humanity is better suited to the perils of space travel and the dangers of how it can impact you as an individual. If you're someone that isn't tribal (for your species) at some visceral level, you may be more susceptible to joining with someone else. If you're mind is literally so open that it can be plucked out by a competing philosophy - it would spell a certain danger to space travel wouldn't it? Especially since, for all intents and purposes, Starfleet is the emissary of the Federation (and to a degree of humanity). If Starfleet was filled with officers that minimized their self-worth to a point where they don't recognize the benefit of being part of the Human family - it would seem natural to seek that out in alien civilizations... If I remember correctly - there was a Starfleet officer in TNG who did just that. He joined the Romulan Star Empire because he felt they had clear moral values and an absolute certainty about the purpose of life. Seems like he could fit what Roddenberry was talking about ... Interesting points as well! I'm not sure I read that the same, though. It doesn't come off as bitter to me. In fact in the above Kirk even says: "I am prepared to accept the possibility that these so called “new humans” represent a more highly evolved breed capable of finding rewards in group consciousness that we more primitive individuals will never know." The acknowledgement kind of tells me that Kirk realizes that his brand of humanity is fading out and they are the future, but that he isn't obsolete yet. He is still needed and may be better suited for Starfleet. Plus, Kirk has the added virtue of being right in the sense that what he says above shows space exploration was hindered because of this problem. Versus an older person calling a member of the next generation weak or something.
  11. The Federation-Klingon War in 2257 (SPOILERS)

    Why? The Enterprise-E was doing missions like that during the Dominion War. Hell - even the Defiant was doing surveys in the Gamma Quadrant while the Klingon-Federation War was raging. I don't think the exploratory arm of the UFP grinds to a halt while a war is going on. It's probably just reduced. I agree with everything you said, but the above is why I don't like giving too much "ground" to so - called minor detail changes (ex. uniforms). Because once you do that on a minimal level, they'll start doing it on other levels. And when a fan protests, we're dismissed as whiny fanboys that need to get over it. I think after the other Treks - enough ground has been ceded to lazy writers that don't want to do research. We all agree upgrades in looks are needed, but DSC has literally gone off the rails to the point that people in this very topic are saying it's simply easier to pretend this is another universe.... I think that's a bit of a cop out to be honest. No one is asking for the TOS writers to have foreknowledge of DSC. We're asking the DSC writers to understand and respect the source material. Make it connect. What exactly is the appeal of creating a Star Trek show closely linked to TOS both with the time frame and characters (Spock's adopted sister) only to cry foul when we see any links are specious at best? Upgrading looks is ok up to a point, but we should not literally be at the point where we as fan are meant to shoehorn DSC into canon. This is why I hate the prequels of Star Wars (among many other reasons). It made little to no effort to seem like it was connected to the OT. Instead, we're told that we have to take the OT and make it fit in the PT. Nope. No. No. No. No. It's the opposite (or should be). It should be made to fit the the OT like Rogue One did. Unfortunately, now that is considered "making a movie for fanboys". It is truly baffling why Star Trek/Star Wars has such trouble staying consistent with what has come before. The Harry Potter or LotR movies didn't seem to when they delved into prequels. (Not that I've heard at least).
  12. Recently watched the intro to Enterprise and it implies that the mirror universe won WWII. Pretty sure that is how my TMIHC theory came about.... When is season 3 of that coming out?

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      The Founder

      I think it is coming out early 2018. They don't have a release date just yet.

  13. Star Wars: Solo

    Solo Trailer
  14. Vulcan nerve pinch

    I think that would make sense considering there are very few Vulcans in TNG. VOY? Yeah - I'm surprised Tuvok did not utilize it a bit more. I always thought the Nerve Pinch was odd. It seemed like something only a touch telepath like Vulcans can do, but we've seen other non-Vulcans do it.
  15. The Man in High Castle/ Mirror

    I never looked at it that way, but yeah .... TMITHC really is a "mirror universe" of sorts. I wouldn't be surprised if in Trek's mirror universe - the Axis won WWII.