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  1. Episode 1.15 “Will You Take My Hand?” Discussion Thread

    Would casting Quinto for the 'same(ish)' character mean that they are infringing on Paramount's IP?
  2. Your overall impression after season 1

    My big gripe with this show is that they set it in the wrong century. I like the spore drive, I don't want it to be reset just so that the other four 'future' series make sense. So they either have to admit that they actually rebooted prime with Enterprise and are just continuing on from that, or before wrapping the show, they have to mothball the spore drive. If it is a reboot and they admit to it, I'd cut them a lot of slack. However, they insist that this is prime, so my criticism stands. The sets were top notch, movie quality. The ship grew on me, especially watching it spin while doing it's spore jump. It makes sense why Discovery's saucer section looks like a gyroscope. The spore drive was a great idea, now if only they use it to its potential. The Klingon re-design makes them look too reptilian and the insistence of doing full scenes in Klingon with English subtitles became a chore. Yes, the audience knows they are speaking Klingon, no need to watch the actors torture themselves by trying to spit out that language through full prosthetics. As for the cast Saru : a bit prickly and temperamental, but his species is cool. Micheal: she got shoved down our throats as the main POV character, a decision that I question. I just see her as a socially awkward over-achiever with questionable judgment. By the season finale, I was rolling my eyes at her speech. I just don't care that much about Spock's human step-sister. She did have some well choreographed fight scenes though. I don't hate the character, but I didn't tune in week to week to watch her personal redemption arc. Stamets: He came off unrelatable, although high achieving Engineers can be like that. This was a character that grew on me through the season. Dr Culber: Had the bravery to stand up to Lorca's bs regarding Stamets condition. He didn't get a lot of screen time though, and when he did, mainly it was to drive Stamets character. He was at risk of turning into a Keiko O'Brien. His relationship with Stamets felt genuine though, so he pulled that off well. Mirror Lorca: He was one of the main reasons I tuned in week-to-week. I thought that his heel-turn was a bit disappointing. After all of that intricate planning, Georgiou gets the drop on him using the same trick he used earlier to escape the agonizer pods. I would have preferred that they kept his character alive. He may not have cared about Starfleet's ideals, but he was a heck of a captain. I hope that Prime Lorca turns up at some point, even if the plan is to go a different direction for the new captain of Discovery. MU Georgiou: a more interesting character than the bland Prime counterpart that we saw in the pilot. Yeoh can be guilty of overacting though. Tilly: she is a fun character, good for occasional comic relief. I wish we could have seen Killy though, she sounds like a much more interesting character. It's kind of weird that this cadet gets all this screentime when I can't even name the bridge crew. Bridge Crew: Got way too few lines and almost no character development. A big gripe about Voyager was the cardboard cutout characters in the bridge crew. This crew doesn't even get any development at all. They are glorified extras at this point in the series. They are underutilized and it is a shame. Sarek: Is not the Sarek that we see on TOS and TNG. I'd buy it if they said he was Tuvok's father though. This character is totally inconsistent with the source material. L'Rell: Probably the most relatable Klingon, if it weren't for the supposed torture of Ash, we might actually be rooting for her. Ash/Voq: It was an interesting arc, I liked Ash, he seemed like a guy that you could sit down with and watch a game on TV. We saw so little of Voq, it's hard for me to form an opinion. Mudd: I like Rainn Wilson, and I wanted to like Mudd, but the one Mudd-centric episode was easily the worst of the season. He's also written inconsistently with the source material (TOS) Admiral Cornwell: she was constantly made to look weak and indecisive, and constantly made dumb decisions. The finale seemed to suggest that she shouldn't even be wearing the uniform. She slept with MU Lorca and couldn't tell the difference, talk about oblivious. Her screw-ups are necessary to move the plot forward. She's Discovery's version of Beverly Crusher. It wasn't the actors fault, this character was just poorly written. Also, I agree with the sentiment above, too many fake outs with the serialized format. The one I found the most annoying was them saying that the Federation had lost the war, when in fact we find out next episode that they still have 80% of their territory and 2/3rds of their fleet left. I think they went to the impostor well one too many times. Either do it with Voq/Ash or Lorca, not both. Overall, I enjoyed the season, there were parts that I liked, but it was definitely a mixed bag with some good and some bad.
  3. The Spore Drive Thread

    Yes, the Bad Robot films had the same problem, but they came out and told the viewers in script that this was another timeline brought about by Nero's incursion. They haven't given any nod to the viewers that I could see that would foreshadow why this drive disappears from the history books, or if it does. I suspended disbelief to buy the concept of the show, or else I would have tapped out when they mentioned an instant travel enabling drive in the 23rd century. I enjoyed having any Trek back on TV. I like the concept of the spore drive, I just don't think the setting is logical. It means that they either never explain why it disappears, or they admit that Enterprise was their Prime reset and they are just continuing from that. If they did that, I'd cut them some slack, although I'd be a bit disappointed that they couldn't make it fit with the other 4 series. Janeway would have used it of course if she had access to it. No doubt that she would have taken the injections herself. It's likely that Seven would have already known about the network too. It's also highly unlikely that the Federation would have access to such a drive in the 23rd century, yet leave the Delta, Gamma and large chunks of the Alpha and Beta quadrants unexplored by the late 24th century. A wormhole to the Gamma Quadrant would be no big deal at all if you could just pop over with your spore drive. The Mycellial Network and the Spore Drive were great ideas. I thought it was very creative although very hand-wavy of course. It's not quite as well understood of a concept as warping the fabric of space time to get to your destination faster than light. There are so many possibilities with it. I just think that they can't call this a TOS prequel if the intend to reset it and only try to capture the spirit of the original and not the letter.
  4. The Spore Drive Thread

    I don't know, calling it a separate universe is kind of a cop-out. They get to say it's Prime universe *wink* and if anything inconsistent arises, we let them off the hook and just say that it's par for the Sandbox that they are playing in. If they are calling it prime, they should be held to it. If it's another universe, they should say so, so that the fans aren't trying to fit this in with 80's and 90's Trek. I agree that the inconsistencies are too important to simply ignore, and a parallel universe would of course explain it, but that's not what the producers said. They wanted Prime, probably because they know the fans wouldn't take it as seriously if they came out and said this was just a sandbox universe. What they are doing is moving the goalposts. "It's Prime and it's all consistent" "Hold on, it will all make sense" "Okay, it doesn't make sense, but we are forging a new direction" They want to have creative freedom, while locking themselves into a rigid continuity; they are trying to have the best of both worlds. They want 26th century tech in the more iconic 23rd century and to forge a new creative direction while staying consistent with the stories that were written half a century ago. They put themselves in this position; didn't really answer any questions and now for the next year fans are going to wonder just where this series fits.
  5. The Spore Drive Thread

    I don't think they will fix canon. They won't bother to explain why we don't see it in TOS or any 'future' series. They will just use it for Discovery, and when the series is over... *shrug* If they can't be bothered to even keep the characters consistent with their TOS counterparts, why would they do back-flips to explain away the Spore Drive? In After Trek they said (to paraphrase) 'you don't get a Maserati and then just keep it in the garage.' I think the Spore Drive will be a thing throughout the series.
  6. Episode 1.15 “Will You Take My Hand?” Discussion Thread

    Also, was she not on Qo'noS when she made that speech? If she had pulled the trigger at that moment, she would not survive either. Could she not have just retrieved the bomb? What incentive did she have to follow through on her deal once she had control of the bomb? Does she spare honor on humans? Also, it was kind of strange that it wasn't mentioned until this episode that the Federation had a WMD of that scale. Even if the original plan had succeeded, I don't see how it wins the war for Starfleet in the short term. The ships were already deployed, so while losing shipyards on Qo'noS would mean they wouldn't have the ability to replace ships as easily, they still had the upper hand in the war. Why was the Klingon attack force crawling so slowly towards Earth? They were only 100 AU out, 14 Light-hours. They could have been there nearly instantaneously. Voyager pushed about 2.7 Light-years/day so it could have made the trip in about 50 seconds. They should have taken minutes, not hours or days.
  7. Episode 1.15 “Will You Take My Hand?” Discussion Thread

    I don't think the updated look for the Enterprise confirms that this is an alternate universe. The look-and-feel are just props. If they had the tech 50 years ago, it would have looked like it did today. They did the best they could with the tech they had at the time. Our imagination was supposed to fill in the gaps. I don't think that the interface matters, buttons and knobs vs touch screen buttons and computerized interfaces, as much as what the technology does. Spore drive is an inconsistency that needs to be explained, however, the look and feel of an ops station doesn't. There's nothing stopping them from using bulky knobs, jellybean buttons and switches, it would still have the same functionality in the circuit. Maybe in dark or smoky conditions, having a tactile switch or knob which you would know where it is by muscle memory would be better than trying to find the right place to touch on a computer touchscreen. I think that they tried to put this in the prime universe, but they got sloppy with character consistency because the story they wanted to tell demanded, for example, that Sarek act completely out of character. If you are going to make a prequel to an iconic show, of course people are going to call you out when you don't make the effort to keep canon consistent. They tried to have the best of both worlds, and we ended up getting this mishmash of 26th Century tech with a 23rd Century setting. It's a compromise that only satisfies those that don't give two rips about the canon and are just happy to see TOS characters and references on screen. For me, TOS was never my generation's Trek, TNG was. I appreciate what the original crew did for the franchise, but I just don't have the nerd-gasm over the TOS Enterprise as I would if the ENT-D had shown up on screen. Of course I'm going to watch this, I had gone so long without new Trek on TV that I would have watched no matter what. I'm just not as excited about the setting as I would have been if it had been set post-Nemesis. It put them in an impossible position of sticking to established canon, which they couldn't do, while trying to forge new ground. I also have to disagree about the strength of this episode. For me, the only weaker episode on the season was the one with Mudd and his time resetting device. Cornwell's character is tarnished in this episode, and throughout the season she is weak and makes dumb decisions. Some of the plot points don't work unless she is making the wrong decision. Cornwell is Discovery's Beverly Crusher. Burnham again threatens a mutiny, but she is restored in rank? That right there speaks volumes about how weak of a character Cornwell is. For that matter, why wasn't she put back in custody when they got back from the MU? Cornwell was against her war-time draft, without Lorca to protect her she probably should have been locked back up. Instead she is privy to top secret information and is on critical away missions, while still facing charges. I felt that too much time was wasted in the Orion town scenes. Also, L'Rell gets a reset button which ends the war. It just felt so unsatisfying. That was the way they were going to end the war, after all of that?
  8. Episode 1.15 “Will You Take My Hand?” Discussion Thread

    I thought that this was one of the weaker episodes of the season. Yes, it wrapped up the war as expected, but it felt too easy. I'm not a big fan of Micheal's taking-the-high-road speeches, they are a bit rich for me... I also felt that Georgiou shouldn't have been motivated by mere freedom. Her sole obsession should be to get back to the MU and back in control of the Terran Empire. She does not accomplish this. To the comments about humans walking around on Qon'os with barely any attention given, I assumed that they were either slaves or Orions. It's possible that the Klingons can't tell humans and Orions apart. I think they could have made 'Sarek' Tuvok's grandfather rather than Spock's father, and it would have made a lot more sense. But, we just have to have that Spock connection... *sigh*
  9. Episode 1.15 “Will You Take My Hand?” Discussion Thread

    Wow, Admiral Cornwell again looks very weak and indecisive. I'd like to know why she's still allowed to hand out medals after that affair. She should have been drummed right out of the service. The mutineer is the one to call her out over Starfleet principles? Puh-lease... Captain Georgiou's identity is supposed to be top secret, but let's casually tell cadet Tilly, Tyler/Voq and the Klingon in the brig. No attempt was made to iron out the inconsistencies, so I guess we'll be debating that for the next year until a new season comes out. There is no reason this war wouldn't have been mentioned in TOS and they have given us no answer as to why it wasn't. Of course it ends on a teaser, who was the new captain from Vulcan going to be? What does Pike need of Discovery? What does Pike's Enterprise look like on the inside? Tyler/Voq is moved to the background, probably because there isn't much use for his character if the focus is not going to be the Klingons next season. L'Rell taking over by holding Kronos hostage? That's pretty shaky ground.
  10. Episode 1.15 “Will You Take My Hand?” Discussion Thread

    I was just thinking that S31 had yet to be mentioned on Discovery. We know it existed in during ENT so it definitely should be around somewhere.
  11. Episode 1.15 “Will You Take My Hand?” Discussion Thread

    The only storyline reasons that I could see for setting it in the 2250's was that the cloaking device was a new technology, which would make the Klingon successes in the war make sense. Of course, post Voyager the Klingons were close allies so a war with them would have to be explained. The other reason was to have that tangential connection to Spock through Micheal. It wouldn't take much effort to come up with some new technology for the Klingons which would tip the scales in their favor. It wouldn't be too hard to come up with some reason for the Klingons to turn on the Federation post Dominion War, maybe jealousy over division of the spoils? As for the connection to Spock, if they can come up with a long lost adopted sister, a son or daughter of Spock wouldn't be too hard to explain away. I view this connection as a crutch, there is so much more to the Star Trek universe than that one iconic character. I think it's a bit awkward too, because why would Spock have never mentioned his famous adopted sister? Not only could this same story have been told post Nemesis, I'd argue that they would have had to do less back-flips to make it work. I'm still puzzled by the decision.
  12. My initial reaction was confusion, they should have been in the Kuiper Belt but it looked like they dropped out of warp at Earth. They may have been forward thinking and anticipating the confirmation of Planet 9, which may be imminent in real life. If that was the case, it might have been wiser to wait until it actually happens. We don't even know if it's a gas giant or rocky, we just have a lot of evidence that it exists and know which part of the sky it must be in. Something tells me this wasn't a mistake, and not Planet 9. This was deliberate, they are indeed 100 AU's from Earth. I recall that the skies were different in different universes. Maybe they didn't just overshoot by 9 months. I suppose that in the shock of the moment, no one on board Discovery's bridge would have said "hey, what planet is that? I don't remember a rocky planet this far out?" The presumed 80000 deaths would have overwhelmed any questions in that moment. It's something I want answered now though.
  13. Everyone on board had just been to the MU and the crew were wearing Terran insignia. I'm not sure how this ruse was going to work in the first place.
  14. Georgiou wanted her freedom, but Cornwell wanted to keep the MU hush hush. The only way for Georgiou to walk around free was to assume Prime Georgiou's identity. How else would she explain why she looks exactly like her? They gave her her freedom, which meant putting her back in the chair. I get the logic behind what happened, I just don't agree with the decision.
  15. The Gabriel Lorca Topic (SPOILERS INCLUDED)

    Didn't MU Lorca make it over with the same transporter malfunction that happens in the TOS episode? Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall if anyone said what happened with the MU Buran.